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June 29th, 2006


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08:43 am - Esus, gettin' down with the Africans
Does anyone have access to the publication: L'Année épigraphique

I need the following source:

AE 1985, 00934
Province: Mauretania Caesariensis
Location: Cherchell / Caesarea

And I need it badly.

There appears to be an inscription to Esus in Mauretania Caesariensis.

That's Algeria, baby. We're talking about an inscription for a Gaulish deity in North Africa.

So please, those of you who go to college and/or work in academic circles: check your library's journal section.

This is vitally important. Thank you for your time. :)

Edit:I have it! More once I go through it.

But this is very, very promising.
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From:mzwyndi
Date:June 29th, 2006 12:49 pm (UTC)
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Did you check ours? Used to be a brilliant Black Studies section.... wanders off to look it up...
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From:chronarchy
Date:June 29th, 2006 12:50 pm (UTC)
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I did, but I would appreciate you re-checking, as I'm not exactly savvy with the journals look-up here, and am deathly afraid I missed it.
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From:mzwyndi
Date:June 29th, 2006 12:53 pm (UTC)
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Fair enough. I used to practice my French by reading north african journals...
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From:mzwyndi
Date:June 29th, 2006 12:57 pm (UTC)
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Hunh. Only have that one through 1979, apparently. And the trick to finding it was to search the title as key words, instead of as the title.

Housed here: http://omega.cohums.ohio-state.edu/epigraphy/

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From:chronarchy
Date:June 29th, 2006 01:00 pm (UTC)
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*nods* Like I said, not so savvy with it. Thank you. I think I'll drop by the Department of Greek and Latin today and check and see if anyone there, off-hand, might have a copy in their office. . .

Long-shot, yes, but it never hurts to ask.
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From:mzwyndi
Date:June 29th, 2006 01:03 pm (UTC)
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Well, and they so *RARELY* get people who're looking for that sort of thing. ;-) Cool to find out we had a Center for Epigraphic Studies, though. I didn't know about that until this morning.
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From:mzwyndi
Date:June 29th, 2006 01:12 pm (UTC)
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Check out this link: http://omega.cohums.ohio-state.edu/epigraphy/latinphoto.html

It looks like they have some individual inscriptions as late as '83, so you're not actually that far off the mark. I'd totally email the curator and tell her what you're looking for....
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From:chronarchy
Date:June 29th, 2006 01:29 pm (UTC)
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Already done. . . :) Thanks for finding it.
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From:singingwren
Date:June 29th, 2006 01:03 pm (UTC)
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*bounces*

Our gods are SO COOL!!!

Where is this inscription you found, and how do you know it's there? Are there pics? Does it finally reveal that Esus really IS Jesus!? Or does it talk about how bad-ass he is???

*needs more information right NOW, damnit!*

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From:chronarchy
Date:June 29th, 2006 01:16 pm (UTC)
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Those questions are exactly why I need to get ahold of this journal.

Cei found a reference to it in the Repertoire des dieux gaulois, and we're both going frantic for the source they cited.

Neither of us have seen the inscritpion, though indications are that it is probably:

"Peregrinus [3] / quod Esus fuit iuben[s]"

My Latin is very rusty, but it appears:

quod - which

fuit - he has - perfect "be"

iubens - ordered - present participle

"Peregrinus, which Esus has ordered"
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From:prophet_maid
Date:June 29th, 2006 02:15 pm (UTC)
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Just poking your latin:

It would be helpful if there was more context in that quote. "quod" could be referring to a previous neuter noun, hence "which," or it could mean "because." Also the result would not be the passive form of ordered, which would look something more like "iubeatur." My brain is too fuzzy right now to figure do the full translation from english to latin.

My guess is that there is something more going on later in the sentence.

Peregrinus: m. nom. sing.
quod: relative pronoun or conjunction
Esus: m, nom. sing.
fuit: perfect active of "to be" 3rd sing (could refer to either P or E)
iubens: present participle: ordering

In this case, fuit is not a helping verb, iubens must be part of a different clause.
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From:tlachtga
Date:June 29th, 2006 01:27 pm (UTC)
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This is from yesterday on the continentalceltic@yahoogroups.com (which I'm on):

The citation is on p. 41, Ibelieve.

AE 1985, 00934
Province: Mauretania Caesariensis
Location: Cherchell / Caesarea

Peregrinus [3] / quod Esus fuit iuben[s

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From:chronarchy
Date:June 29th, 2006 01:31 pm (UTC)
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Exactly where I found that citation. :) See above.

I just want to see it for myself, and make a copy for Cei, so that we both have, in hand, what we've seen with our own eyes.

Plus, I'd really like to contextualize it with anything else that might have been found.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:June 29th, 2006 08:50 pm (UTC)
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You know, I really don't think it's that strange. YOu don't think there were Gauls in the Roman army? Or able to travel to another part of the empire?
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From:tlachtga
Date:June 29th, 2006 08:50 pm (UTC)
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ugh. That was me.
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From:chronarchy
Date:June 29th, 2006 08:56 pm (UTC)
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Oh, there certainly were. I'm just surprised to find the inscription so far afield, when we don't seem to have any other inscriptions (though I'm suddenly picking up new leads on several).

It excites me to have more to work with. And it feels huge to me.

I think I'm just giddy.

There's an adjective one rarely refers to oneself with. . .
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