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August 16th, 2006


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01:34 pm - Esus in Algeria (fighting the French, I'm sure)
Ladies and gentlemen:

I mentioned that I found an inscription relating to Esus recently. Well, PICTURES!

They're on my "About Esus" page that I've built (Quick Link to the spot on the page).

If you just want to look at the pictures I found, and don't care about what I think about them, then they're here:

Pic 1
Pic 2
Pic 3

What really catches my eye? That sand-dollar-looking-thing on the first pic. And the birds hanging out around those trees with the anchors around 'em on the other two pics.

Is it just me, or is this damn cool?

(tlachtga, I'll give you a copy of both articles from this site at Summerland.)
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From:snakesinspace
Date:August 16th, 2006 05:40 pm (UTC)

Son Of A Sailor

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How much you want to be your Esus = Jesus fans say the anchors are really crosses? ;D
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From:chronarchy
Date:August 16th, 2006 05:42 pm (UTC)

Re: Son Of A Sailor

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Jesus = Esus = an anchor = the calm in the storm = my faith in God.

That totally makes sense. I'm going over to the dark side in 5. . . 4. . . 3. . .
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From:triskele
Date:August 16th, 2006 09:28 pm (UTC)

Re: Son Of A Sailor

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not only that, haven't you guys ever heard about the jesus-sand dollar connection?

http://www.catholicsupply.com/existing/prsanddollar.html

(there's actually a christian store called Sand Dollar)

da-dum-da-DUM!
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From:tanrinia
Date:August 16th, 2006 05:53 pm (UTC)

jesus IS esus!

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THAT REMINDS ME!

at a church on the main street near my house, they had one of those cheapo signs that you can put letters on to say clever things. or not, because for about two weeks it just said 'jesus.'

UNTIL ONE DAY! when the J was gone and all that was left was 'ESUS.' there was always too much traffic for me to pull over and take a picture, but if that's not proof of the connection, i don't know what is!
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From:chronarchy
Date:August 16th, 2006 06:36 pm (UTC)

Re: jesus IS esus!

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irrefutable!
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From:singingwren
Date:August 16th, 2006 06:36 pm (UTC)
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Good job, man.

Now all you need to do is figure out what your patron's secret hand-sign is and we will be unstoppable!
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From:chronarchy
Date:August 16th, 2006 06:37 pm (UTC)
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If I told you, he'd prune my legs off and feed me to the cranes.
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From:singingwren
Date:August 16th, 2006 06:37 pm (UTC)
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Psst, those birds have short tails and therefore look way more like wrens than cranes. So I propose we change our name to Three Wrens Grove. You know, out of historical accuracy and fairness.
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From:chronarchy
Date:August 16th, 2006 06:52 pm (UTC)
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I think that the stonecutter here just wasn't nearly skilled enough to manage "cranes", so he drew "birds", if they are related.

Another thing, though: we don't need two more wrens. I assure you, one is far too many for us to handle as is.
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From:singingwren
Date:August 16th, 2006 08:18 pm (UTC)
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Don't ask me why, the 'reply to comment' link is down. :P

Anyway, I still don't understand. Picture 2 -- were those three separate reliefs found in three separate places? Or were the first and third togther? I'm confused as to where these came from and if they were all related to Amanda. Because if that one inscription is a memorial, birds (are especially doves) are common on graves. Now, I'm not sure when that started, how Biblical it got, and all of that, but I do know knowing that piece of infromation is relevant.

Also... anyone gonna translate that French? I can't take French without my parents hating me, but damn how I wish I could read this kinda dealie...
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From:chronarchy
Date:August 16th, 2006 08:32 pm (UTC)
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"Il existe à Cherchel trois plaques ou fragments de plaque présentant ces symbols"

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"There exists in Cherchel three plates or fragments of plate presenting these symbols"

Basically, these plates were all found in Cherchel. I'm unsure preceisely where in Cherchel they were found, though.
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From:fionnabhar
Date:August 16th, 2006 09:18 pm (UTC)

Also, and.

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Somewhere on our trip to Chicago we ran across some graffiti message that obviously was meant to say "TRUST JESUS", but had faded away on one side and actually read "RUST ESUS." I thought that might amuse you.
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From:romandruid
Date:August 16th, 2006 11:11 pm (UTC)
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Where have all the cows gone?
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From:tlachtga
Date:August 17th, 2006 12:02 am (UTC)
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I'm curious: While I can make out the letters ES and S, the U looks more like a \

ES\S.

Now, I know that sometimes Latin inscriptions would merge two letters; I recently saw an inscription to Maponus that combined the M and A into one letter, with a bar through the second half of M. Is that what's happening here? The left part of the U combined with the S? Because that really doesn't look like a U. Now, granted, we're not looking at the inscription head-on, and certainly not in person. So maybe there's something I don't see.

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From:chronarchy
Date:August 17th, 2006 03:45 pm (UTC)
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Yes, that's certianly problematic. What we need is a rubbing or a squeeze from the instcription, really. Or, of course, to look at it ourselves.

In this case, until someone can get a good look at it, I think we're stuck trusting the guy who transcribed it.

I'll see if I can get any detail out of the French around it. . . Here's what the article says about the inscription:

No 154

Stèle de marbre blanc brisée en haut, à droite et en bas. L : 20 cm ; H : 28 cm ; ép. : 5,5 cm. Fronton triangulaire décoré de rosaces et soutenu par un cadre de colonnes. Champ épigraphique : H : 4 cm. H l. : 1,8 cm. Points séparatifs simples. Ligne 2, ligature VS. Nécropole occidentale.
PEREGRINVS[---
QVODESVS*FVIT*IVBEN[---
Ligne 2 : Esus est le nom d'un dieu gaulois, qu'il est étonnant de trouver ici.

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