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August 29th, 2008


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02:27 pm - Oh, so that's what suffrage was about!
"I am especially proud to say, in the week we celebrate the anniversary of women's suffrage, [she is] a devoted wife and a mother of five."
    -Senator McCain, about Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin

Between 6:30 and 7:00 minutes into this video.

I didn't know suffrage was about being devoted to your husband and popping out babies. . .
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From:ariansdreams
Date:August 29th, 2008 06:32 pm (UTC)
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This entire situation is just making me annoyed.
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From:chronarchy
Date:August 29th, 2008 06:40 pm (UTC)
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I watched McCain's entire speech during lunch today. I saw most of hers. I was nonplussed at best. She's clearly more hype than substance.
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From:chronarchy
Date:August 29th, 2008 06:53 pm (UTC)
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I'm sure that you've seen the "end women's suffrage" petition video from the Man Show? (Probably one of the most sexist and offensive things they did.)
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From:mlleelizabeth
Date:August 29th, 2008 06:44 pm (UTC)
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*boggle*
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From:chronarchy
Date:August 29th, 2008 06:54 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought . . .

"Did he really just say that?"
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From:prophet_maid
Date:August 29th, 2008 06:47 pm (UTC)
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Especially disabled babies. If you pop out one of those, even if you have it raised by nannies, it makes you a pro-life martyr.

Which isn't to say that I have any problems whatsoever with a mother with a baby running for any office or any job. I just don't think that makes her special in any way shape or form.
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From:chronarchy
Date:August 29th, 2008 06:56 pm (UTC)
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Indeed, I have no issue with her running and being a mother. I just find serious fault with McCain's statement.

And it appears that the disabled baby is what she's most popular for, at least according to the NYT.
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From:chronarchy
Date:August 29th, 2008 07:06 pm (UTC)
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If you don't pop 'em out, you can't vote. That's what McCain says.
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From:ext_119885
Date:August 29th, 2008 09:41 pm (UTC)

I'm glad someone else caught this

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I was listening to his speech, and was like "did he really just say that?" Fortunately CSPAN puts their closed captions on the internet almost in real time, so I went back and checked. And sure enough, he said it. It's as if he's saying, it's nice that women have the vote and all, but obviously their most important roles in life are as devotees to men and nuturers of children.
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From:chronarchy
Date:August 30th, 2008 03:55 am (UTC)

Re: I'm glad someone else caught this

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Yeah, I double-checked the transcript before posting about it, too, and found video evidence online. I mean. . . really?
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From:athenamsb
Date:August 29th, 2008 11:47 pm (UTC)
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Palin under ethics investigations in Alaska

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26458400/

That is all.
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From:chronarchy
Date:August 30th, 2008 03:58 am (UTC)
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Yeah, I caught that. I'm not overly surprised, given how much her honesty was touted during McCain's speech. "Something's clearly not right here," said I. . .
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From:garan_du
Date:August 30th, 2008 02:05 am (UTC)
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Keep her barefoot and pregnant and gutting caribou in the garage.
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From:chronarchy
Date:August 30th, 2008 03:57 am (UTC)
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Mmmm. . . Caribou.

Do you think she'll serve it to McCain during the inauguration ball if he wins? (He'll have to carve, of course: it's one of those privileges of being a man.)
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From:gigglingwizard
Date:August 30th, 2008 02:40 am (UTC)
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Coming from McCain, it might not be the nonsequitur it appears to be, but instead is just poorly worded. Instead, perhaps, what he meant to say was something like, "In the week we celebrate the anniversary of women's suffrage, I am proud to say that [she] hasn't forgotten her proper place as a woman. Despite so many women getting uppity and donning trousers and stealing men's jobs, Sarah is still a real woman, a devoted wife and mother of five."

...which is why McCain very desperately needed a female running mate to salvage his reputation among women.
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From:chronarchy
Date:August 30th, 2008 03:59 am (UTC)
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Clearly he misspoke. I mean, just look at the grammar of what came out of his mouth. I appreciate you filling in the clear tone of what he was going for.
From:red_sput
Date:August 30th, 2008 07:44 am (UTC)
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hmm, I hadn't seen a political post from you in quite some time. I was starting to wonder if you were going to sit this one out. When going through the montage of Sarah Palin speeches on youtube she does seem to speak her mind and hold true to her positions, which is admirable even if you don't agree with the issues. I do think the women's suffrage anniversary and the women VP announcement were what they were trying to relate to(i.e. 88 years ago a woman could vote, and now today they are on Presidential tickets, so playing more to the role of women in gov't rather than in their personal lives) On that note, Football Season has started!
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From:chronarchy
Date:August 30th, 2008 12:45 pm (UTC)
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It's because I rarely post things that are party-oriented in any way. That little flub (if he didn't actually mean it. . . and I think he really did think he was saying something he meant. . . If he didn't, the applause would have given him time to fix it) was just too ridiculous to pass up.

I'd point out, though, that his choice of running mate seems about as devoid of forethought as many other things. It screams, "Man, do we ever need a minority. Do we have any in our party? Crap, just pick one! She's got one term as Governor? Sounds good!" For someone who has been hammering Obama on experience, this is clearly not a well-thought choice.

And sticking to one's positions is not always positive: there is value in fluidity, particularly when that fluidity allows one not to trample on the rights of others. Of course, I'm thinking specifically of Rowe v. Wade, but I'm also thinking of gay marriage, Pagan military chaplaincy, religious tolerance, oil dependence, and a thousand other things that are more social than fiscal or anything else.

Remember that Obama is against abortion, too: the difference is that he has stated that he understands his role as a public figure is to protect rights, not remove them. (Good article in Time about that a few months ago.)

I'm afraid that over time, not being able to locate a fiscal conservative in any party, I have begun to base my vote primarily on social issues. And on those, I'm very liberal.

I have to be: if I don't look out for myself (my religion makes me a minority), no one else will, Democrat or Republican. In the process, I look out for the rights of others, too.

While this has made me far more independent, it has also made me more likely to find common ground with Dems than Republicans (and forget the libertarians: Bob Barr once tried very hard to have Wiccan services removed from US military bases).

Besides, I might point out that for all McCain's talk, Tonie Nathan received an electoral vote for VP in 1972. . . Palin isn't the first woman VP on a ticket.

I can't really sit this one out, anyway: there are Justices at stake. Possibly the entire left wing on the SCOTUS. And they will decide things like my children's rights to not be indoctrinated with religion in the form of Intelligent Design, the Ten Commandments, and school-sanctioned prayer.

And Go Bucks, Go Appalachian State, Go Illinois!
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From:chronarchy
Date:August 30th, 2008 02:33 pm (UTC)
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*nods* She is easy on the eyes, I'll give her that.

I always wondered why the 19th amendment had those tiny words at the end that no one could read!
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From:verginiamus
Date:August 30th, 2008 02:38 pm (UTC)
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I had to decide whether to abort my son or to have him. *No one* gave me a medal for keeping and raising him. *No one* ever told me that I was wonderful for raising a child who had a lot of disabilities. I just soldiered on. Lucky for me I had *FEDERAL GOVT HELP* to help me in raising him. I also had *LOCAL GOVT HELP* also. Today, he is a college student.

I kept him because I wanted to. Not because of any conviction, but because I loved him.

TAKE THAT PRO-LIFERS AND ANTI-GOV FOLKS. Raising a child with !disabilities takes guts, emotional staminia, and lots of resources, people! Try it sometime when you don't have a cushy job. Especially with bosses who don't understand why you have to take so much time off to see doctors, etc.

My son's major disability is mental illness. He will have to be on SSI the rest of his life because of it. But he is working to get a job and keeping it.

Sorry about this rant on your page. I get so sick of how special she is and all of that. I heard about her on conservative talk radio, and just wanted to puke.
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About suffrage. My great-grandmother was a mayor of a town in Maine, before women could vote. My grandmother was the treasurer of the same town. They raised lots of kids and ran towns too.
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From:alvita_felis
Date:August 31st, 2008 07:47 am (UTC)
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Haha :-) You can see the real attitude behind such words... as to women and suffrage, you gotta check this video out: http://current.com/items/89019993_target_women_suffrage

The rest in the series is bloody funny, too!

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