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February 3rd, 2010


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03:30 pm - Musings on reporting and attendance of Groves
I have been thinking about revisiting the Grove Attendance Statistics page and updating it with this year's information, plus last year's information, to see what's going on in the Groves. The problem with that is that I rely on Grove reports for that info, and the percentage of fourth quarter reports isn't as high this year as it was last year.

I'm hoping to wait another week or so, until after this quarter's report due-date has come and gone, to try and gather the info as a result.

What I found, when doing the original one, is that most Groves feel themselves to be "behind the curve" in terms of attendance and membership, especially new PG's, because they have an inflated notion of what "average" is for a Protogrove or a Chartered Grove. It turns out that a ritual turnout of about 7-8 people is pretty average for a PG, while having about 3-4 members is also pretty average. I remember that when I started, I thought that in order to be doing "well" as a Grove, we had to have about 15 people regularly showing up to ritual.

Numbers are easy things to get caught up on, though. It's really about quality, not quantity, of your attendees, I tend to think. But that comes from 8 years of looking back on this remarkable Grove. Heck, I found a ritual write-up I did from 2004 where only romandruid and I showed up to a ritual from the Grove (with about 9 or so non-members), and my review paints it in a pretty glowing light.

Still, I remember what it was like to wonder if what you were doing was really worth it when only 6 people showed up to a ritual. . . or two, like the first time that anivair and I did ritual. In the dark. Without a flashlight.

It wasn't fun, and it wasn't easy. I mentioned recently to a friend that not all soil is fertile enough to cause a Grove to grow and bear fruit, and that sometimes soil that you never expect to be fertile produces the most amazing and strong trees imaginable. I was fortunate enough to find not only good soil, but good gardeners to work that soil, too.

Anyway, I wasn't intending to slip off into a reflective essay on starting and running a Grove. I really was just hoping to encourage folk who haven't submitted their reports to do so. I suspect that come ADF elections, some folk will make big deals out of report filings (myself among them), so folks running for something might want to take a look at any reports they are responsible for and ensure that they're filled out and complete. . . because I base a lot of my decisions about elections on the level of detail in quarterly reports that folk are responsible for filing.
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From:verginiamus
Date:February 3rd, 2010 09:17 pm (UTC)
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Remember: Numbers do not rule the world, but tell how the world is ruled.
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From:chronarchy
Date:February 4th, 2010 12:54 pm (UTC)
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Too true :) It's easy to get caught up on them and get blinded to other things.
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From:dubhlainn
Date:February 3rd, 2010 11:44 pm (UTC)
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I thought the thread was interesting on Leadership because, since at Silver Falls we usually hold our rites the "sunday after the sunday closes to the high day, I always hold off on submitting reports until after we hold both high day rites for that quarter.
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From:chronarchy
Date:February 4th, 2010 12:51 pm (UTC)
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*nods* there's no real consistent way that we all do them, but I try my best to get them in on time. Of course, there was a year's worth of reports that got filed for the EIE Kin that one time, all at once. . . I'm more than happy to say that I'm not anywhere near perfect on the reports, myself.

But I do tend to go digging through reports that people are responsible for when elections roll around. Once the final slate is announced, I'll probably start that digging. It is, after all, important to me that the people we elect be able to submit complete reports. . . whether they're timely or not is a different issue, to me, but completeness is vital.

I see too many blank reports come through the office.
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From:acousticdryad
Date:February 3rd, 2010 11:51 pm (UTC)
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I usually have to wait on the quarterly pursewardens report before I do mine, but it should be submitted tonight :)
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From:chronarchy
Date:February 4th, 2010 12:53 pm (UTC)
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*nods* I used to make the "due date" for reports from my officers the week before the 1st of that quarter, unless there was something that needed to be done after that. Of course, that required me to bug them for a week in advance, and I'm not really the bugging sort, so I often forgot to do that, and submitted closer to the 8th than the 1st.
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From:acousticdryad
Date:February 4th, 2010 12:57 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, though I don't know that would work for us since we have weekly (sometimes multiple times a week) events right up until the day before reports are due. So any donations that come in that day need to be calculated in. But I did set up a google calendar reminder that goes to all the whole Witan 2 days prior and the day of. Seems to be working thus far! :D
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From:acousticdryad
Date:February 4th, 2010 12:59 pm (UTC)
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Hrm, should have read "to the whole Witan".
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From:kargach
Date:February 4th, 2010 03:12 am (UTC)
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The founders of our Grove had many meetings where they were the only two people to show up, and wondered whether it was worth the bother to keep trying to hold meetings and rituals if nobody else in the area was gonna show up. Then they got a bunch of people to show up to a ritual, and sixteen years later we're still here. It can be done!
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From:chronarchy
Date:February 4th, 2010 12:54 pm (UTC)
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I know: Grove organizing is an exercise in perseverance and vision: Perseverance to get through the lean times, and vision to determine when the lean times just aren't going to go away.
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From:romandruid
Date:February 4th, 2010 01:44 pm (UTC)
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There was a ritual where we were the only ones to show up? I have no recollection...

Could you send me a link or something? Now I'm curious. Good thing you keep such good records!
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From:chronarchy
Date:February 4th, 2010 01:51 pm (UTC)
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Just us from the Grove. Others showed up as well, but no other Grove members. I stumbled across what may have been a half-written entry for LJ that never got posted in a text file, so I'll have to re-dig it up :) I'll see if I can find it.
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From:chronarchy
Date:February 4th, 2010 01:54 pm (UTC)
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Ah, fortunately, the text file was listed as a date, which means that I could find the original LJ entry (which was posted, after all):

http://chronarchy.livejournal.com/90915.html
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From:romandruid
Date:February 4th, 2010 06:23 pm (UTC)
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Hm... I think I know who you may have been picking up in GC that day. :p
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From:chronarchy
Date:February 4th, 2010 06:38 pm (UTC)
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I can't at all seem to remember, myself :)
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From:druid_medb
Date:February 5th, 2010 12:59 am (UTC)
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Thanks for the reminder. Do you know where one would go on the site to check if reports have been filed? I want to check up on the Groves in my area and see if they are all up to date.
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From:qorinda
Date:February 5th, 2010 05:05 am (UTC)
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The GCC just sent out emails to remind folks who haven't yet submitted 4th qtr reports, so you will probably see more of them submitted within the week.... plus the discussion on the Sr. Druid/Leadership list about grove reports should help also.

And yeah, I had the most meaningful blessing rite ever last month, and it was just Avery and I. Sometimes you don't need a whole lot of people to be doing good work. ;)

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