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July 8th, 2004


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03:02 pm - Wanna laugh?
Take a look at what Cleveland Pagans are going through!

http://www.clevescene.com/issues/2004-07-07/feature.html

And in the paper, even!

Wtf were they thinking, talking about that?
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From:ceolnamara
Date:July 8th, 2004 12:12 pm (UTC)
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I'm glad I associate with the Columbus ppl :-p
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From:chronarchy
Date:July 8th, 2004 12:13 pm (UTC)
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I am, too.

It's obvious that we're better looking, anyway.
From:ravenlaughing
Date:July 8th, 2004 12:31 pm (UTC)
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I personally would be rather ticked off at a public ritual that *required* you to do a part of it you were very uncomfortable with. This kind of crap is a lot of why I don't participate in my local Wiccan community. I don't have the time to waste energy on such childishness.

Although giving an obviously Christian group the area as well on the same day is pretty pathetically typical.
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From:chronarchy
Date:July 8th, 2004 12:32 pm (UTC)
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I think they should have applied for a bigger permit.

And maybe not been so openly disappointed in front of the reporter.
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From:rhiannon76
Date:July 8th, 2004 12:39 pm (UTC)
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*blink* *blink*blink*

so, in other words, "wah wah wah, me me me me me me, wah wah wah."

also, in today's litigious society, couldn't that one person potetntially get in trouble for saying they wanted to run whatsisname over with their car, if whatsisname decided to get litigious about it? perhaps not, but it doesn't seem like a wise thing to put into print. well, none of that does.
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From:roc441
Date:July 8th, 2004 12:53 pm (UTC)
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The best explanation I can come up with i: its "scene." I don't know if you have this in columbus, but its a bit like the newspaper equivalent of the jerry springer show.
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From:rfunk
Date:July 8th, 2004 01:07 pm (UTC)

Scene

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Columbus has The Other Paper and Columbus Alive, but neither one is quite as sensationalist as either Scene or Free Times.

And I'd argue that, at least post-revival, Free Times is much worse than Scene.
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From:tlachtga
Date:July 8th, 2004 01:24 pm (UTC)
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Everything else aside, I'm tired of everyone conflating Wiccan and Pagan. Even though the paper at first makes a distinction, it ends up falling away into conflation, particularly with the one guy saying that all Pagans believe "harm no one." Since when do Druids or Asatruar live by the Rede? I haven't been a witch or a Wiccan for years, and doubt I'll ever identify myself as one ever again--it's just not my religion.

Bleh.
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From:rfunk
Date:July 8th, 2004 01:35 pm (UTC)

Um

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He said "most", not "all" pagans follow "harm no one". And I would argue that most pagans do, simply because most pagans are Wiccan (it's the first one most encounter), and many non-Wiccans follow it to.

While I agree that "Wiccan" and "Pagan" are too often conflated (I'm not Wiccan either), I just don't see that happening in this article.
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From:tosk
Date:July 8th, 2004 02:13 pm (UTC)
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"The human race will begin solving it's problems on the day that it ceases taking itself so seriously."

Wow, that was a fantastic example of greyfaced, hunchbrained, pagans... proof positive that Christians don't have a monopoly on thei idea that somehow their 'work' is the most important thing in the world.

We had a kicking Beltane Celebration this year. We held it on private property and invited bunches of cool people (except the one Druid guy who officiated, he was lame). My lady and I had a fantastic Beltane the first year we were together... we went camping in the woods, did a ritual and got nearly blown into the ravine when the Green Man brought up a wonderful spring Hurricane in response to our actions... or maybe we should have checked the weather report.

Spirituality is the thing that exists between you and your deity or energy or Universal Bowl of Custard. It's fine to add people and public activity... but if it starts getting you down, dump it and move on.


And when men become free then mankind will be free.
May you be free of The Curse of Greyface.
May the Goddess put twinkles in your eyes.
May you have the knowledge of a sage,
and the wisdom of a child. Hail Eris. - Principia Discordia


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From:ninian_dp
Date:July 8th, 2004 05:56 pm (UTC)
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That article was surreal. I found the way the Christian group was greeted just a little odd. Damn Christians, feeding and clothing the homeless, and on Beltane no less! *sigh* When will they learn? The keyboard music was tacky; I refused to let my people do that during public events. Catholics don't let Catholics play hymns on keyboards.

Is the Scene a tabloid or something?
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From:chronarchy
Date:July 9th, 2004 05:10 am (UTC)
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Is the Scene a tabloid or something?

Seems to be. But I get the impression that it's somewhat widely read in Cleveland.
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From:nontacitare
Date:July 8th, 2004 10:49 pm (UTC)
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You know, I think this is the most accurate description of the Pagan community I've ever read in a non-Pagan periodical.

It's frightening how closely it parallels what's going on in the Canton Pagan community. In general the northeast Ohio Pagan community seems a bit - unhealthy.

Oh, and those of you who know me might be amused to learn that I've been accused of practicing black magic on people (by someone who wants me out of the group.) And here I thought that those accused during the Witchcraze weren't really Pagan. Who knew? ;-)
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From:chronarchy
Date:July 9th, 2004 05:12 am (UTC)
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black magic

I always knew you'd be seduced by the Dark Side eventually.
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From:tanrinia
Date:July 9th, 2004 10:29 am (UTC)
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yeah really....let's not air the dirty laundry dumbies...which is not the reporter's fault necessarily, but the two groups involved.

didn't mind the disappointment about the christian thing. maybe it'll open a few people's eyes.

and yeah, it did remind me of my time with PCCO...i had to keep checking about which group i was reading. although i wouldn't go so far as to ban a pcco member from our grove, i choose not to associate with the "new regime" (same as the old regime) myself.
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From:criedwyddwen
Date:July 9th, 2004 05:16 am (UTC)
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This has been going on for awhile, or so I gather.

I've stayed very far away from any of this. Which isn't hard considering I'm not very active in the pagan community and generally stay in the broomcloset.

However, I will note that when I was moving to the Cleveland area 3 years ago, a friend who hasn't lived in Cleveland for years now warned me to be careful up here -- that this area was in turmoil and not healthy.

I don't know if he still has contacts here and saw this coming ... or if it's a general trend that's gone for years and this very public split is just the latest.

Either way, I'm really not interested in politics so I keep my nose out of it all.

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