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July 8th, 2004


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03:10 pm - New Essay
Just posted this to Dedicants, but I also want a broader, more personal set of responses to this essay:

Creating the Desire for Worship

Let me know what you think, please. I'd like to clean it up for Oak Leaves.
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From:nontacitare
Date:July 13th, 2004 11:45 pm (UTC)

Re: book(s) of pagan prayer

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I think rfunk has been doing a very good job in this disussion, so I'll just clarify a bit about the Matthews book.

It's designed to be an inclusive Celtic prayer book, drawing inspiration from both Pagan Celtic mythology and Celtic Christianity. In the prayers, there is usually both a male and female deity, or deity as nature; however, Matthews does not name any specific deity, leaving that to the reader. This, understandably, might make it less than useful for those in ADF, where there is a strict concept of deities being separate individuals. Here is a sample prayer, for Lughnasadh:

"Lady of the Land, open the door,/Lord of the Forest, come you in.
Let there be welcome to the bountiful compassion,/ Let there be welcome to the Autumn of the Year.
In fruit and grain you are traveling,/ In ferment and bread you will arrive." There's more, but I don't want to annoy people with a long post.

For me, it's Pagan enough. I bought the book in 2000 for my mother, and then the following year for myself when I got tired of copying everything I found useful in my book of shadows. Recently, an expanded edition, with a lot of new material, was released.

I find that the Matthews book works best for my daily practice, and the Smith book for specific need or function-based prayers. They are both excellent books, in my opinion, but I understand they wouldn't work for everyone.
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From:chronarchy
Date:July 14th, 2004 05:51 am (UTC)

Re: book(s) of pagan prayer

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I think rfunk has been doing a very good job in this disussion

Haha. You make it sound like a contest :)

This, understandably, might make it less than useful for those in ADF, where there is a strict concept of deities being separate individuals.

Well, if you're invoking the Wiccan God/dess pair, then it sounds like they're every bit as specific as an invocation to Esus would be. Remember, that divine pair is also a pair of individuals. Of course, depending on who you ask.

I bought the book in 2000 ... and then the following year

Where'd you get it? I was told it was out of print for a while, seriously.
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From:nontacitare
Date:July 14th, 2004 08:41 pm (UTC)

Re: book(s) of pagan prayer

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Regarding rfunk, I just meant that he was doing a pretty good job of discussing two books he hasn't read and how they relate to two religions he doesn't practice. I'm very impressed. ;-)

I bought the Matthews book at Fly-by-Night; it could be that she had old copies on hand or something.
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From:rfunk
Date:July 14th, 2004 10:45 pm (UTC)

Re: book(s) of pagan prayer

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Hey wait a minute, I've at least skimmed the Serith book, and heard you read from the Matthews book for quite a while now.

And I've been to enough Wiccan and ADF rituals to see the differences between them, not to mention all my reading, though that's been more about Wicca than Druids.

Gee, talk about a backhanded compliment.... :-)

But hey, if it's not a contest after all, forget I said anything. ;-)

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