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August 26th, 2004


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09:38 am - To whom it may concern:
You know, I have no idea what's up with this, but apparently someone is reading athanasios's journal and forwarding links from it. I guess they've been doing it for a long time.

Whoever it is. . . You're just creating drama. If you don't like athanasios, then why are you reading his journal?

A) you know it's just going to make you mad.
B) forwarding things on just stirs the pot and pisses people off.
C) if you think you're being smart/cool, you ain't.

As a Discordian, I'd like to say one final thing:

If you think you're doing Eris a favour, you aren't. Rememeber the idea of destructive and creative chaos? If you don't, re-read your Principia, because you suck at being a Discordian.

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(from p. 63, Principia Discordia)

To choose order over disorder, or disorder over order, is to accept a trip composed of both the creative and the destructive. But to choose the creative over the destructive is an all-creative trip composed of both order and disorder. To accomplish this, one need only accept creative disorder along with, and equal to, creative order, and also be willing to reject destructive order as an undesirable equal to destructive disorder.
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From:tlachtga
Date:August 26th, 2004 07:00 am (UTC)
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I assume you're talking about BJ's comments being forwarded to the Bardic Guild by Todd. I kind of agree with Todd about being concerned with what BJ said, since he's suddenly been picked as the new head of the Bardic Guild (why we don't get to vote our own head, I don't know, but that's a different issue). In this case, it was BJ who forwarded the actual thread to the guild, so that we could see for ourselves what he said.

The comments looked as if BJ wanted ammunition from Athanasios to attack the MG, which would seem kinda sketchy if he was planning on attacking the MG with a person who has left ADF altogether, since BJ is to head a guild now. BJ says it's all a misunderstanding, and you can read that in the Bardic list's archives. For the most part, the controversy there has seemed to die down, I don't really know. But I can understand Todd be concerned, and wanting to ask about it. Todd says he wasn't actually reading Athanasios' journal to begin with, but heard about the comment in question from someone else.

Right? Wrong? Livejournals are public, aren't they? If you don't want people reading and commenting on what you say, you shouldn't write public entries or comment on public entries.

I don't know what any of this has to do with Discordianism, but I sure as hell am concerned about the health of the Bardic Guild.
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From:chronarchy
Date:August 26th, 2004 07:11 am (UTC)
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heard about the comment in question from someone else.

That's what bugs me. There's someone who seems to just want to point these things out. That's what's annoying. I'd prefer it just get ignored.

the health of the Bardic Guild.

At less than 24 members (and generally ignoring new apps, from what people have told me), I've been concerned about it for a while. As I have been told that I am "too young to write chants," though, joining the BG seemed like a waste of my good time.

I don't know what any of this has to do with Discordianism

Hopefully nothing. But if there's somone out there who thinks they're being cute and Discordian, they should know that they really, really aren't.
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From:tlachtga
Date:August 26th, 2004 07:15 am (UTC)
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As I have been told that I am "too young to write chants," though, joining the BG seemed like a waste of my good time.

I don't know who would have told you that, but obviously, they're full of it. You and I are the same age, and I've never been told I'm too young to write anything; my tutor is a great guy (Wry Welwood) who is always ready to work with my on any of my poems, and who has never put down my age.
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From:chronarchy
Date:August 26th, 2004 07:50 am (UTC)
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they're full of it

Oh, I thought the same thing. But then, the person who told me this told me to keep it private. I assume because they know that I'd win an arguement over it.

It led to one of the deeper posts about my religion out there.

But I was told I was too young by a member of the Bardic Guild, and honestly, it pissed me off.
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From:tlachtga
Date:August 26th, 2004 07:18 am (UTC)
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There's someone who seems to just want to point these things out. That's what's annoying. I'd prefer it just get ignored.

Normally, yes, but not if someone has been appointed as the new head of a guild by a former head who has just quit, mainly with the purpose of destroying the guild and attacking the MG. That doesn't seem to be what IS actually happening, but that's what it looked like from the original message. Such a situation isn't something to ignore, but to bring out into the open. Revolutions are better than coups, but hopefully neither of these things are happening--only reform.
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From:athanasios
Date:August 26th, 2004 11:12 pm (UTC)
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Normally, yes, but not if someone has been appointed as the new head of a guild by a former head who has just quit, mainly with the purpose of destroying the guild and attacking the MG.

Gwynne Green created the Bardic Guild back in 1994. I hardly believe she would desire to destroy the Bardic Guild. She put a lot of passion into the Guild, and into ADF. Just I did, Rob Barton did, my wife did, and all the members of our two groves did.

We truly cared about ADF, and it was a painful decision for all of us to leave.
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From:smithing_chick
Date:August 26th, 2004 10:15 pm (UTC)
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That's what bugs me. There's someone who seems to just want to point these things out. That's what's annoying. I'd prefer it just get ignored.


I disagree. Whisper campains & talking behind people's backs are the most damaging things imaginable because there's nothing in the open. They just foster doubt & distrust. They don't go away if ignored- they just get worse.
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From:athanasios
Date:August 26th, 2004 11:13 pm (UTC)
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I disagree. Whisper campains & talking behind people's backs are the most damaging things imaginable because there's nothing in the open. They just foster doubt & distrust. They don't go away if ignored- they just get worse.

Good point. It has been brought to my attention that there have been three seperate "official" complaints brought against me and presented to the Mother Grove, so if I ever try to re-join ADF my life will be miserable. I have NOT seen these complaints, but I still have friends on the Mother Grove.
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From:tosk
Date:August 27th, 2004 09:07 am (UTC)
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Alas, as Hikem Bey points out, every Temporary Autonomous Zone eill eventually kill itself with Bureaucracy. The ADF seems poised there now.

Sad, but remember, for every TAZ that dies, new ones spring up and stagnation is avoided.
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From:tosk
Date:August 27th, 2004 09:03 am (UTC)
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"But if there's somone out there who thinks they're being cute and Discordian, they should know that they really, really aren't."

I dunno my friend, it looks like they stirred you up quite a bit... I would imagine our Dear Lady has a smirk on her face, even now. ;-)

Or not.
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From:uberrod
Date:August 26th, 2004 11:02 pm (UTC)
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kind of agree with Todd about being concerned with what BJ said, since he's suddenly been picked as the new head of the Bardic Guild (why we don't get to vote our own head, I don't know, but that's a different issue).

BJ was picked as the head of the Bardic Guild without a vote because that is what the Bardic Guild's by-laws say the resigning Guild Chief has the power to do. It clearly states in section III G. Removal and Resignation of Officers - paragraph 3.
"Resignation of Office

a) If the Chief Bard resigns she or he may appoint her or his own acting
successor."

Knowing BJ, I'm not concerned at all and feel Todd seriously over reacted. But terms of office are five years, which is a long time. You Bards might want to tweek your by-laws, eh? But BJ is very honorable and equitable, so I don't think you will have too many problems for the rest of his term. I'm on both Bardic and Leadership lists so my e-mail caught double the shit storm.
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From:athanasios
Date:August 26th, 2004 11:17 pm (UTC)
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Knowing BJ, I'm not concerned at all and feel Todd seriously over reacted.

Todd seriously overreacts ALL the time.

When my wife was Liturgist Guild Preceptor she Todd essentially demanded she present him with the study program "thus far" to him right before he left for Desert Magic festival in May. She told him no, and stated she had already told him no on the Liturgist Guild officers list.

He posted a several page response that she did NOT post a notice to the Liturgist Guild officers list, and told her that is she did not apologize to him she would bring charges against her to the Mother Grove. This is crazy. Is ADF a religious group or a role-playing game in politics?
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From:tosk
Date:August 27th, 2004 08:18 am (UTC)
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"Is ADF a religious group or a role-playing game in politics?"

Is there really, at the end of the day, any difference?
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From:tlachtga
Date:August 27th, 2004 06:07 am (UTC)
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No, I understand why we don't vote, in terms of the bylaws, but I don't understand why the bylaws were written that way. I think we should tweek the bylaws, frankly, though that doesn't mean I don't respect BJ as the new leader--I do. I also don't think BJ is about to do anything bad or commit sabotage--it's kind of a ridiculous notion, and I didn't mean to imply that (so in other words, I see what BJ means about things being misconstrued, especially in Livejournal). I suppose Todd did overreact, but with everything that's been going on, I'm not surprised that he did.
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From:qorinda
Date:August 27th, 2004 12:13 pm (UTC)
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BJ was picked as the head of the Bardic Guild without a vote because that is what the Bardic Guild's by-laws say the resigning Guild Chief has the power to do.

What I think is interesting is that Gwynne was the one who had a major hand in CREATING the Bardic Guild by-laws.

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