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October 5th, 2004


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12:39 pm - What is art?
I do not believe that this is art.

I believe that this is.

I do not believe that this is art.

I believe that this is.

I do not believe that this is art

I believe that this is.

I do not believe that this is art.

I believe that this is.

I do not believe that this is art.

I believe that this is.

I do not believe that this is art.

I believe that this is.

I know exactly what is art, and what is not.
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From:ravenlaughing
Date:October 5th, 2004 10:05 am (UTC)
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OK, I'm gonna have to contend here. What makes a black and white magazine ad more art than a beautiful piece of well-thought out stained glass?
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From:chronarchy
Date:October 5th, 2004 10:26 am (UTC)
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Art has nothing to do with thought. Or beauty. Or its use in advertising.
From:moonversion
Date:October 5th, 2004 10:05 am (UTC)
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Woohoo! Let's hear it for the Chicago baboon!! Ermm.. I mean woman. Still looks like a monkey to me. :)
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From:chronarchy
Date:October 5th, 2004 10:26 am (UTC)
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Hell, I thought it was a baboon. I used to eat lunch on it. It was always nice and warm.

It's one ugly woman, if indeed that's what it is.
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From:tlachtga
Date:October 5th, 2004 10:12 am (UTC)
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Art is opinion.

Art is artifice--a fake, something invented. Something created. It's only opinion which decides if it is art in big, flowing letters and expensive glossy books.

Of course, I think you're wrong about those glass doors. And Warhol. But that's opinion again.
From:ravenlaughing
Date:October 5th, 2004 10:22 am (UTC)
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No see, perfect example of each to their own. I personally don't think a picture of a soup can is art. But you have every right to think so. But I'm willing to bet it took more talent to make the stained glass than the soup can.
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From:bean_drui
Date:October 5th, 2004 11:01 am (UTC)
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cool
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From:chronarchy
Date:October 5th, 2004 02:12 pm (UTC)
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Thank you :)
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From:smithing_chick
Date:October 5th, 2004 11:30 am (UTC)
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Having talked (read- "debated") with you about art many times before, (a) I'm surprised at some of your choices (given at one point you contended that art was something that looked nice when hanging on a wall & that art could not possibly be functional in any way so the fact that you think the High Rennesiance Madonna painting & Ophilia are not art while the stained glass doors & the coin are seems sort of counter to that particular claim on your part) & (b) I'm not surprised to find that I agree with you exactly 50%, and I'm sure you aren't either. I think it's all art. :)

Other thoughts:
I think the sculpture does work much better as a baboon. :)

Art is entirely about intent so it does have to be created by someone with the idea that it is art.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not art. It just means you don't like it. I'm seriously not a fan of Damian Hirst's "dead animal in vat" series but he certainly intends for them to be art & the galleries that show them agree.

I'm sure I have other thoughts but my brain's fuzzy right now.

Oh, & I should mention for anyoeen who might not know that I'm an artist.
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From:chronarchy
Date:October 5th, 2004 11:44 am (UTC)
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he certainly intends for them to be art & the galleries that show them agree

Does my opinion matter then? Or is it just the artists and the gallery?
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From:odinkar
Date:October 5th, 2004 12:15 pm (UTC)
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While I cannot remember the exact phrasing, Plato said it best in The Republic when he described art as the third (and basest) level of imitation.

The first level would be the natural chair (to use Plato's example) that the gods conceived of. The second level would be the master craftsman forming of the philosophical idea that is the chair into a physical reality. The third level would be the artist rendering the chair into art, thereby taking all normalcy and utility out of the chair in an attempt to show how wonderful the chair was.

I love Plato.
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From:smithing_chick
Date:October 5th, 2004 01:46 pm (UTC)
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I guess I'd argue that a master craftsman is an artist, too. :) That's kinda the basis of Functional Art-- objects with are beautifully made & also entirely useful.

I'm finding it funny that Plato predicted the rise of Marcel Duchamp.
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From:gypsydove
Date:October 5th, 2004 12:17 pm (UTC)
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you can choose to visit what galleries you choose, and what pictures/art/sculpture you see..art is in the mind of the beholder...what i consider art and you consider art are two different...hell maybe even three different things...to quote another...what is one man's trash is another man's treasure...

I find that these sayings hold true more and more everyday. I don't particularly like some of the new "art" that has come about...but I can see from another's point of view how it could be considered art...and I allow myself to accept their point of view for a short while....but I don't accept it as my point of view...

Heck...with some people's ideas of art...my son's drawings wouldn't be considered art...but to me they are famous drawings..a path into his inner mind...how he sees things...(of course he is all of 3...but I also do the same with my other son's drawings....he is 12)....if someone else looked at them...they would probubly consider it junk....I also view my husband's pics as art...others view it as just lines...

Everyone has their own opinions..and no one will ever come to a single description of the word "ART".

just my two cents worth...
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From:chronarchy
Date:October 5th, 2004 02:15 pm (UTC)
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I think that your son's drawings are certianly art, and I've never seen them. :)
From:moonversion
Date:October 5th, 2004 12:43 pm (UTC)
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No one has caught on yet, huh?
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From:gypsydove
Date:October 5th, 2004 01:19 pm (UTC)
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i think tis the chaos at work...

causing people to open their eyes and actually view the world...

doesn't bother me if this is what the post was...thought it was very very interesing...
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From:chronarchy
Date:October 5th, 2004 02:14 pm (UTC)
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Thank you :) You have seen the illusion, then?

I guess I'm going to have to post about this after all. It's gotten such wonderful responses.
From:fred_smith
Date:October 5th, 2004 04:05 pm (UTC)
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Damn! You blew my mind on the first one. I cannot insult Ophelia, she's lovely. But Dali is cool too. But, you cited The Punisher as Not Art, which may or may not be unfair. A friend of mine likes it, but leant it to everyone but me because he rightly assumed that it wouldn't be my cup of tea.
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From:lillassea
Date:October 5th, 2004 04:13 pm (UTC)
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Oh, you rat. At first I thought I was losing my mind.

I am in Chronarchy's Harem
I am not in Chronarchy's Harem
I am in Chronarchy's Harem
I am not in Chronarchy's Harem
I know exactly what is Chronarchy's Harem, and what is not.
From:wolffes_ways
Date:October 6th, 2004 10:44 am (UTC)
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Sorry but I'll have to contend to me THE SCREAM is definitely art.

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