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October 7th, 2004

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11:48 am - Art? Oh, you mean the giant tissue box with the sewer pipe through it!
So, a couple of days ago, I posted about what is and isn't art.

I made my initial post, which is basically a set of links that describes what I think art is and is not.

Included were some rather famous images.

Boy, the comments were great. You guys rock.

So I changed the links. Everything that was art, was now not.

And the comments got better.

So I changed the links again. I shuffled them. People continued to disagree with me, and agree.

So I changed them a final time.

Amazing what happens.

Not a joke, not a statement, and probably not, in my opinion, art. But the concepts and the ideas in the comments are amazing. If you're interested at all in art, I highly suggest you read through them.

My friends list rocks.

(note: I didn't do it to piss you off. Whoever you are.)

So what is art, to me? Basically, it's anything that doesn't have a function at all. Art is, in my experience, a purely decorative endevour. It doesn't cause or do anything, nor does it serve any function necessary to the human experience.

But it looks damn pretty on a wall, sometimes. I do not judge art on nebulous things like "emotion evoked" or "intent". I judge art on whether I can tell what the hell it is, and whether I'd pay $10 to have it hang on my wall.

The most important thing to remember, though, is that my appreciation of art is exactly like Horatio Hornblower and his take on music.
Current Mood: thoughtfulthoughtful
Current Music: "Gentleman of Leisure", -JB

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Date:October 7th, 2004 09:00 am (UTC)
10 points for the horatio hornblower shout-out!
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Date:October 7th, 2004 09:56 am (UTC)
The books are great. His reactions to music are just brilliant.

And the guy with the weird name who plays him is a pretty good actor, even if he is given weird scripts that don't seem to match the books.
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Date:October 7th, 2004 09:01 am (UTC)

Interesting definition

You may want to think more about your definition...by your own definition, ole W in the White House is art (but I don't think he'll look pretty on a wall) ;-)
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Date:October 7th, 2004 09:23 am (UTC)

Re: Interesting definition

I don't know. I think he'd look prettier on the wall than in the office. ;-)

Sorry. I couldn't resist. I am an Opinions Editor, after all.
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Date:October 7th, 2004 09:19 am (UTC)
I noticed the switches after a while. It had the distinct air of you screwing with us, but all the same it was excelent.
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Date:October 7th, 2004 09:55 am (UTC)

Re: Excellent idea; execution, ehhh, not so sure...

You may have a point. The whole thing, though, was un-pre-meditated. I had initially meant to make an actual post with absolute statements and then go at it, but then I realized that I'd get a much more intelligent, thought-out reaction if I just changed things.

Execution, of course, was thus ill-thought-through.

Unfortunately, no one who made the unclear remark "I think you're wrong about X" got called on it. That would have made it even better, if they looked at it after I had changed it and found, say, "Scream" or "Ophelia" was listed as art, and the poster had claimed it was not.

It was beautiful to watch develop, though.

If anyone expects anything from a Chaote, other than that siad Chaote will be an asshole, though, I'd have to really wonder. . .
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Date:October 7th, 2004 02:58 pm (UTC)

Re: Chaotes

Well, it's true. :)
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Date:October 7th, 2004 09:38 am (UTC)
I thought you might have been doing that from the get-go, hence why I went all philosopher on your ass, heh heh.

At any rate, it was really fun seeing people's reactions. A wonderful little psychological game that I thoroughly enjoyed.
Date:October 7th, 2004 09:47 am (UTC)
Date:October 7th, 2004 09:54 am (UTC)
so if it doesn't have a function, is my cat art? LOL
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Date:October 7th, 2004 11:46 am (UTC)
I think only if you stuff it & hang it on a wall. :)
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Date:October 7th, 2004 09:54 am (UTC)
i knew something was up...at the get go..as I said in previous post..but I had it kinda wrong..I did enjoy the excersice and it drove me absolutely insane by the way..grin....

I did enjoy all the comments...

can't wait till the next..fun time to be had by you thingy you post..grin....

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Date:October 7th, 2004 11:35 am (UTC)
So *that's* what was going on. It seemed something was weird- hence my surprise at some of your choices. :)

Sneaky bastard. :)
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Date:October 7th, 2004 08:38 pm (UTC)
But what about magic as art? And there seems to be a tradition within Chaos magic(k), Ceremonial Magic/Golden Dawn/OTO, and Sabbatic Craft with the use of sigils which could be construed as art, at least from a Austin Osman Spare ideology; and they (sigils) DEFINITELY have a function. I would also state that the Sabbatic and Thelemic use of sigilry/art is nothing like that used in Chaos magic as you've presented it in the past [ref: wherein the sigil, after being charged (and the energy sent off to complete the Will), is usually destroyed as part of the working and then "forgotten."]

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