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November 19th, 2004


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08:41 am - PSG
So, I'm thinking about maybe going to Pagan Spirit Gathering next year. Over the past couple of years I've kind of avoided it because it's not an ADF festival, and I don't really care much for non-ADF festivals. Well, there's also the fact that it's expensive as all hell, and I'm not sure I can get the time off to spend a week with a bunch of naked pagans in the woods. . .

I seem to recall that it runs about $180 or something like that, which is a lot. But Brian and I were talking last night, and there's something we'd really like to present on, and I'd like to talk to people from a more broad Pagan community.

But the biggest problem? It's during the first week of summer quarter. Vacation is majorly limited that week.

*sighs* But, tentatively, Brian and I are planning to go.

Now I just need to find out who to talk to regarding doing a workshop. Their website could really use an update.
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From:silverwitch
Date:November 19th, 2004 06:41 am (UTC)
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I'm not a big festival veteran or anything, but one would think that if you were going to be a presenter that you would at least get a discount on your entry fees.
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From:chronarchy
Date:November 19th, 2004 06:44 am (UTC)
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I actually am under the impression that presenters don't get anything. I could be wrong, or might have missed that.

*shrugs* Dunno. Needs more research :)

But you're right, usually presenters do get discounts.
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From:rfunk
Date:November 19th, 2004 07:38 am (UTC)

presenters get something

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Presenters get a "discount" on the amount of work shifts they're required to do.
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From:aislinggheal
Date:November 19th, 2004 08:05 am (UTC)
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Despite the vast cost of PSG, almost no one gets comped.

There is a very large workshift requirement - 6 hours. Even if presenting two workshops, you still have to do a two-hour shift.

All of the "good" workshifts are generally taken by midday on sunday.

PSG is certainly NOT my favorite festival in any way, shape, or form, but many of my old coven and community own Wisteria, so I continue to go.
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From:chronarchy
Date:November 19th, 2004 08:17 am (UTC)
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What is a "good" workshift, as opposed to a "bad" workshift?
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From:aislinggheal
Date:November 19th, 2004 10:06 am (UTC)
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I guess it depends on your perspective. I would rate a "bad" workshift as one that involves children or occurs between the hours of midnight and 8 AM. "Good" ones would be 2-hour stints as a runner for the first aid tent, or registration, or something that doesn't involve children.
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From:garan_du
Date:November 19th, 2004 05:14 pm (UTC)
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I liked doing recycling/trash runs. They were stinky, and labor intensive, but the shifts were usually done very quickly. Plus I felt like I was doing something that made a difference.

Workshop presenters do not get a discount, at least officially. Coordinators do not have to do work shifts (which is a good thing, considering most of us generally put in a lot more time than 6 hrs, on top of putting on workshops, which many coordinators do).
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From:king_mob
Date:November 19th, 2004 06:54 am (UTC)
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As busy first weeks of quarters go, summer is really the least busiest.

If it were up to me(and it's not, even vaguely) I'd be inclined to stretch the point and let you off that week. Given that it's for personal beliefs and all.
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From:chronarchy
Date:November 19th, 2004 07:14 am (UTC)
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Heh, I try to avoid taking days off for religious reasons :) I already get other people's religious holidays off. . . it'd be kind of unfair to take my own :)

But I'll probably put in the request and see what happens. If it's no go, it's no big deal. I'll just complain about their horrible scheduling for a few years. ("Well, damnit, they should have scheduled their couple-hundered-attendee-event around ME!")
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From:rfunk
Date:November 19th, 2004 07:41 am (UTC)

scheduling

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I (or my family) complain about PSG scheduling every year because it always starts or ends of Fathers Day, and often conflicts with Comfest. But the whole point is that PSG happens during summer solstice.
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From:garan_du
Date:November 19th, 2004 05:15 pm (UTC)
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It's closer to 1000 attendees.
From:tanrinia
Date:November 19th, 2004 06:59 am (UTC)
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woohoo! more incentive for me to go!

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From:chronarchy
Date:November 19th, 2004 07:19 am (UTC)
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When do they start filling the schedule up? I don't want to contact too much in advance. Pagans have a tendancy to forget things when you talk to them too early.
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From:chronarchy
Date:November 19th, 2004 10:46 am (UTC)
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Wellspring is also that weekend. However, Heartland sounds cheaper and probably better organized. Is there a website?

(off to google it)
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From:chronarchy
Date:November 19th, 2004 02:27 pm (UTC)
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several people you know from LJ/ADF will likely be there.

That alone might be enough to charm me away :)
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From:chronarchy
Date:November 19th, 2004 02:24 pm (UTC)

Re: Wellspring!

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All I know is the dates, May 27 - 30, 2005. Stonecreed, though, has a habit of getting information posted like, the day before the festival begins. Last year, they were still running off programs until well after the first ritual.

So, pretty much, I think dates is all we'll get for a while :)

But I might be persuaded out to Heartland, actually. While it's great to go to Wellspring, I've been there. . . Never been to Heartland.

Unless someone does something silly and nominates me for something, in which case I think I'd have to go to Wellspring.
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From:lillassea
Date:November 19th, 2004 07:01 pm (UTC)
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I will kill you if you don't go to PSG.

No seriously. Think of it this way... assuming PSG is $195 (don't know prices for this year), that's $27.85 per night. Ohio State Parks charge $22 per night for tent camping.

And that's not just seven nights of camping (with walking trails in the woods, a pleasant swimmin' hole, and great stargazing at night). You get free concerts every evening, LOTS of free workshops every day, rituals, networking, various programs, drumming/bonfire, sweatlodges, and the infamous Tea Dance (ask Garan Du)... plus some nice extras like food vendors and a coffeehouse with snacks if you don't like cooking for yourself while camping.

From:moonversion
Date:November 20th, 2004 09:09 am (UTC)

Numbers are fun.

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Regarding ocean_star's math, Summerland is $50.00. The "plus $40.00 for logding" spoken of is if you want an entire cabin to yourself, which I am sure you are aware of having been to Summerland. As you camp in a tent (which I know for a fact) that is really not an issue for you. That makes it a low $16.66 per day.

According to the PSG website for the year 2004, registration was at $250 for a late registration which made it $35 per day, which is more than Summerland (even at Summerland's late registration of $60.00). If you are correct that pre-registration for PSG was $180 that still makes it more expensive than Summerland ($25.71 a day).

Also, even if Summerland were to increase its length and keep to its current dollar per day average, its price would be less than even pre-registration for PSG at $116.66.

Personally, Mike, I'd recommend Starwood and it is only about a buck .60 more expensive than early registration at PSG and is loaded with great stuff. Just remember I expect you to visit in October-- after all, our event is free, just like this year was free (okay, so next year you have to buy a plane ticket but all food and lodging is still free). :)
From:tanrinia
Date:November 24th, 2004 12:29 pm (UTC)

Re: Numbers are fun.

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plus, i believe the $40 for lodging is pretty standard at that site. i've been to a few events at camp clifton sponsored by different groups and that's been standard, so i assume it's a location or site charge rather than the organizations idea.

on my LJ i have my ideal summer tour, but i doubt it'll actually happen unless i get a grant to study large pagan festivals :/
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From:nontacitare
Date:November 21st, 2004 10:30 pm (UTC)
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Yay! Brian and chronarchy are going to PSG! Now if we can only get wishesofastar and autumnfey to go, it'll be a PSA reunion.

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