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December 15th, 2004


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10:15 am - Divination = Sex?
When we talk about Divination, we tend to look at it from a modern world-view. Neo-Pagans have their own theories regarding the way divination was used in the ancient world, but we forget that the development of magical thought has coloured our view of what divination was to the ancients.

Divination is something connected directly to the idea of stepping outside the boudaries of the normal social order. In particular in Greece this is the case, where diviners are associated with the outskirts of society, not with its mainstream.

In fact, divination could, potentially, be tied directly to sex. Plato tells us that Eros is the intermediary between the gods and men, and that divination belongs entirely to him.

Curiously, Plato also includes "the art of the priests concerning sacrifice and initiations, just like the incantations, prophecy in general, and magic goeteia."

I think that, really, we need to re-visit the connection of divination and sex, and seriously think about how the two events are similar, if in state of mind or in myth.
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From:tlachtga
Date:December 15th, 2004 07:35 am (UTC)
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I have to admit that this is where I become a reductionist. I don't believe in sex magic. It's just a biological process for creating offspring. It's fun, but so's eating and drinking, and all three are better with another person involved, simply because we're social creatures.
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From:anivair
Date:December 15th, 2004 08:04 am (UTC)
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ahh, but sex puts yoou into a frame of mine that is hard to achieve outside sex. it creates and clarity of mind that we try (and often fail) to simulate in ritual.
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From:tlachtga
Date:December 15th, 2004 08:06 am (UTC)
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Maybe I'm doing it wrong. My mind isn't very clear during sex--hell, sometimes I have trouble concentraiting on what's going on. But then, that can be said about most of my life. ADD runs in my family, though I never thought I suffered from it. My mind just tends to wander a lot.
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From:chronarchy
Date:December 15th, 2004 08:42 am (UTC)
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Well, I'm not suggesting one must have sex to divine the future, I'm just thinking that we might be overlooking something that the ancient world considered integral to divination. . .
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From:anivair
Date:December 15th, 2004 08:46 am (UTC)
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re-read the druids by Morgan Lwellyn. she draws attention to sex magic in a fairly interesting way.
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From:singingwren
Date:December 16th, 2004 09:16 am (UTC)
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Amazing book. Good point.
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From:tlachtga
Date:December 15th, 2004 08:58 am (UTC)
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I'm just thinking that we might be overlooking something that the ancient world considered integral to divination

Certainly it's possible, but I guess I don't see it. Wouldn't we have some sort of texts which might tell us?

I mean, we could go on something about oracles and snakes, and be Freudian, but I'm not sure.

Let's put it this way--when you find something, I'll be eager to read it. I just don't know what that thing will be.

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