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January 24th, 2005


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08:55 am - Some good news
Well, ADF is obviously doing something right.

We just topped 900 members. We've been growing quite a bit since June/July, I think. Or thereabouts.

Here's hoping that we'll be able to bring them the quality services and training they're looking for.
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From:tlachtga
Date:January 24th, 2005 03:58 pm (UTC)
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Here's hoping that we'll be able to bring them the quality services and training they're looking for.

Yep. We may have hit 900, but let's see if we can keep 'em. For one, I think you're right that Oak Leaves needs more articles dealing with the DP. Now--how would we go about doing that? Maybe articles exploring the Virtues, or people submitting their book reviews (isn't there one in the latest?). Other stuff--gotta think on this.

Need more mentors, maybe. Or encourage groves to have DP study groups, things like that. I'm hopefully starting one at ROG soon. (Of course, I haven't passed mine yet--still stuck on those extra questions Bardd Dafydd gave me).
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From:chronarchy
Date:January 24th, 2005 04:21 pm (UTC)
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I think that improving our mentoring will be a big step in the right direction. I spent last weekend working on that, as did romandruid. At the moment, between the two of us, we're restructuring the mentorship program.

I think OL coming out on time is a big part of the boost, actually. There's also the really good press we're getting that's finally starting to drown out the bad press.

Regarding submissions to OL, though, I don't think that just submitting book reviews is going to do it. . . those have been in every issue of OL that I can remember, and they don't really help Dedicants all that often. I think very much that if we want to help a Dedicant, the articles we need are more like supplemental items to the DP.

Your article on the Urban Druid is an excellent example, in that it supplements the DP beautifully. I have one appearing in #28 about where to put your Home Shrine. Basically, elaborating things that bring up questions on the ADF-Dedicants list. We should probably get something in there about offerings, or about finding your hearth culture, or being bi-cultural. . . That stuff's useful to a Dedicant who has no idea where to start or where she'll end up.

Exploring the virtues, actually, would be very helpful, and would give Vedis about 2 years worth of submissions :)

I'm hoping that we can get at least one article relating to the DP in each issue. As I create mentoring materials, I'm hunting for supplemental reading. . . The more stuff that's in OL, the more they'll want to subscribe. . . The more they subscribe, the more tangible connections they have with ADF. . . The better the connection, the bigger the chance that they'll stick around.
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From:chirael
Date:January 27th, 2005 10:21 pm (UTC)
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I think OL coming out on time is a big part of the boost, actually.

Well, if you mean in the very recent past (last six months), you might be right. But given how close in time some OL problems were (6+ months back), I'd be disinclined to credit that with too much membership boost.

I'd credit at least part of it with the generally consistent Office work (albeit with the minor membership packet printing hitch at the end of 2004) we've had for the past few years. The Hugh-Todd-Kirk team has worked particularly well.

Todd says we don't have enough data to support it, but I like to think that there might be slight uptick in renewals (and hence overall membership #s) due to the PayPal renewal option.

Other than that I'm not really sure. The increasing numbers of Dedicant mentors available probably helps out to a certain extent, along with your and romandruid's hard work on our Dedicant Program, of course.

Honestly, I don't see the Guilds as doing a lot toward keeping membership #s high, with the possible exception of the Liturgists Guild because Todd really pushed through to get a real, live, running 1st Circle program there. Of course, I don't think the Guilds are detracting from the membership #s, either. I guess I just don't perceive that a lot is happening with the Guilds, at least based on list traffic.

A lot of the activity I see is in the DP area, so I'd say that and, as usual, our local groves doing the High Days on a regular basis, is probably what keeps people around.

There's also the really good press we're getting that's finally starting to drown out the bad press.

Where have we been getting really good press lately?

if we want to help a Dedicant, the articles we need are more like supplemental items to the DP.

Yeah, I guess I'd agree with that, which modifies my previous (other-post) comment a bit. I just think that while OL articles are good, 1) not everyone in the DP gets OL, and 2) like mailing list posts, OL is ephemeral. Sure, future members can dig into past issues through PDFs, just like they can search the list archives, but in reality I think very few people do either.

I would strongly recommend that if we're getting good DP-supplementing articles in OL, that you point them out to me or convert them yourself, for inclusion on the website in the DP section. That would be a way of adding real, helpful content to the /members/training/dp/ section, which I've been wanting to do for years.

You might wonder why I don't do this myself. The answer is that I don't read OL. I'd love to, but 100% of my ADF time is spent online, and when I finish with all I can do in that realm, I don't have time for anything else related to ADF (I'm "ADF maxed out"). So if there's something good that should be on the website, it should be pointed out to me. I was supposed someone going through the old OLs for me, but she seems to have stalled :(

Also, if we get enough of these DP-supplementing articles, we may want to pull them out into their own DP supplement booklet/publication of some kind, such as "Using the Dedicant Program" or "Walking the Dedicant Path" or some other pithy-sounding DP-supplement title.

Exploring the virtues, actually, would be very helpful

Ugh, I'm honestly sick of seeing everyone's take on the virtues, and don't personally get anything out of them at all. However, if other Dedicants really do, then I guess I'd have to concede that point based on the data. But personally, I think "how to" articles are much more useful, such as the "how to" article you wrote re: the home shrine.

I think pulling such content from ADF-Dedicants list questions is a great idea, and you may want to maintain a page in the Wiki of DedicantProgramQuestions so that when you see something you can log it immediately. Then later, you or someone else can work off that list to write useful articles for the Dedicants.
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From:chronarchy
Date:January 27th, 2005 10:37 pm (UTC)
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consistent Office work

Damn skippy there. That team has done a lot of it. Looking at membership trends (what I've gathered), it seems that when the office practically went defunct, it set us back a couple years. On-time office work has certainly helped immensely.

I don't see the Guilds as doing a lot toward keeping membership #s high

In 4 years in ADF, I'm unconvinced that the Guilds are necessarily helpful to ADF. And I helped organize one, though I admit I did that for the lap dances (of which I have not received one yet).

Where have we been getting really good press lately?

It's a general feeling I've gotten from my home community (Columbus-area Pagans) and from things I've seen online. Nothing really concrete, but when people talk about ADF, they talk more about the good things than the bad things.

if we're getting good DP-supplementing articles in OL, that you point them out to me or convert them yourself

Np. Let me finish the current project and go from there.

if we get enough of these DP-supplementing articles, we may want to pull them out into their own DP supplement booklet/publication of some kind

Wait until you see what I've been working on. I might just send you what I have so far. . . It'll have all the articles (that I've found) that will supplement the DP. Once that's finished, we can look at what we have and maybe move on to putting something else together.

I'm honestly sick of seeing everyone's take on the virtues, and don't personally get anything out of them at all.

You're right. What I mean are "how to" articles. Not "here's what I think about X Virtue", but "These are ways of thinking about X Virtue", and "Consider the ways Virtue X was implemented here by this guy".

I've read too many DP virtues essays to ever advocate that they end up in OL :)

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