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February 3rd, 2005


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12:52 pm - Searching for omens. . .
Sometimes, we become involved in things that we would rather see turn out differently. They make us feel powerless or weak. I am in such a position now, and so I look to the Gods for guidance.



I ask the runes to explain to me the current situation in my life, and what path I need to walk to work through it.

[symbol - rune: meaning - impression]

- Wunjo: joy, play, and happiness - a desire to do something with a sense of play.

- Hagalaz: destruction and sorrow - hurt feelings

- Jera: fruitful and fertile - a virtue?

The runes indicate that the situation was brought about in a carefree spirit of play, the desire to have fun. Problems were ignored as "unimportant" and perhaps there was an assumption that everyone else could take it lightly and as something "fun" as well.

This led to destruction and sorrow, apparently seriously hurt feelings and broken communication. I suspect that there's also an element of "breaking" with the idea that sometimes people won't take things seriously.

The course to take is one of a fruitful road that leads to good harvests and plenty: a solution for all that builds fellowship. A question I had was whether the appearance of a rune connected with the Nine Virtues would indicate that to find the road I needed to examine it through the lenses of virtue?

So I asked the runes to help me see the path more clearly:

- Ehwaz: horses, travel - "Harder on the horse"

- Tiwaz: justice and a guiding star - examples

- Fehu: wealth and generosity - the wolf in the woods.

The path is something I must travel, though I should take heart: others are ridden harder so that I don't need to be. Still, there is a responsibility to those others that I need to keep, much as the traveler has a responsibility to his horse.

Virtue and justice will play a big role, as will the shining example. Tiwaz could mean that I need to be that guiding star, or else that there is someone that I should look to.

The path is reciprocal and frought with danger that can eb a source of either great kinship, or great division. Generosity and hospitality will define whether this is kinship or division that we foster.

I requested any more information the runes might be able to give me.

- Kenaz: The ulcer - pain and stress

- Laguz: water overflowing - what flows?

- Suwilo: the sun - a good end.

The journey is dangerous and will be painful and stressful. It may leave permanent scars.

There is an overflowing, but whether this is the ulcerous condition of the blessings that come that flows, it cannot be said at this point.

In the end, though, the sun will come out, and it will be as good and right as it can for each person.
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From:chronarchy
Date:February 4th, 2005 03:54 pm (UTC)
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Nifty. I like it.
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From:chirael
Date:February 3rd, 2005 10:10 pm (UTC)

An astrological perspective

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Wow, seems like a dark time for you. I wish I could help, but I know that things like this aren't usually things others can help with (though the appearance of ehwaz might indicate otherwise in this case).

I don't have your birth time, so I wasn't able to do a full analysis, but my quick look based on just your birthday showed more than I expected. Meaning, I didn't expect to see as major events as I found, because you were a bit circumspect about the event details.

The biggest thing going on for you is that Pluto is squaring your Sun. Pluto is the power of transformation, but usually that is associated with destroying something else (the phoenix metaphor is very appropriate). Your Sun is your identity, your "life work", your path in life.

For Pluto to square it, you will be experiencing power struggles with others in a major way (and in yourself, about how/when to use/abuse power, in action/reaction to others). These will be external manifestations of your own struggle with issues of power. When the process is done, you will probably have come into a new sense/kind of power for yourself, but the path won't be easy, as you have divined yourself of course.

Integrating the signs (I can't use the houses because I don't have your birth time), your Sun is in Virgo, so in addition to having a nice body (Virgos tend to be very aware of their bodies, and thus tend to in my experience more often than not have nice ones; the female LJers would seem to confirm this ;), your "life story" is in some sense a quest for self-perfection, and this can often be played out through "serving" others, or some cause.

Pluto squaring this from Sagittarius could mean that your quest for self-perfection will be severely challenged, possibly from the religion/philosophy quarter, or maybe by challenges from foreign (completely new) worldviews/perspectives, or even foreign people or people with radically different religions/philosophies.

Someone in your world with power over you could end up strongly challenging (or even attacking) your religion/philosophy, which could end up threatening your ability to serve others and proceed on your quest of self-perfection. Worse, you could end up doubting whether all the work you've done, or the foundations of your identity, are correct, which could be quite traumatic.

I was hoping to find a good page on the web describing this, to provide an alternate perspective. The only halfway decent one I found was at http://www.planetaryvisions.net/pluto%20s%20sun.html.
If you want more, I can scan and send you the excellent stuff from my favorite cookbook/crutch, Planets in Transit.

In terms of timing, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this transit just started for you. It will be about a two year process, finally ending in Nov/Dec 2006. I would expect significant developments/events in this process to occur around 2/20/05, 3/27/05, 5/3/05, 9/2/05, *9/18/05, *12/13/05, **3/14/06, 3/29/06, 8/16/06, 9/5/06, 9/24/06. The asterisked dates are full/new moons where I would really expect something to happen. The double-asterisk is a lunar eclipse, so I would expect mid- to late-March of 2006 to be a "crisis point" in this process.

The dates may or may not be useful (I figured you might want to follow along :), but sometimes it can help to know that there's a light at the end of the tunnel. I'd say the whole process will be over by mid-December 2006, for whatever that's worth. I guess the key to remember is that the parts of your life which will be threatened/dying during this time may need to pass away so that something new can grow from the ashes.
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From:chronarchy
Date:February 3rd, 2005 10:20 pm (UTC)

Re: An astrological perspective

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I don't have your birth time, so I wasn't able to do a full analysis

3:42 PM eastern time :) Oh, and in Cincinatti, OH.
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From:chirael
Date:February 3rd, 2005 10:11 pm (UTC)

More astro info

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Wow, I guess I found out what LJ's posting size limit is :) Anyway, here's the tail end:

You're also going through a transit where Saturn comes to the position Mars was in when you were born, but that's a lot more minor (relatively speaking) than Pluto-square-Sun, and it will also be over in mid-2005 (it started in September 2004) so I'm not going to go too far into it.

If you want to look it up there's an OK (if brief) page at http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Saturn%20conjunct%20ts.html (another page) and you may also want to read about your natal Pluto square Mars, which would be highlighted during this period, at http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/pluto-square-mars.php. Some of those factors may have come into being during incidents that happened around seven or eight years old, so that may provide some insight.

Anyway, hope this helps, and I wish you the best of luck. I'll be going through Pluto going over my Sun in a few years, so maybe you can show me your scars and give me some tips when I start to get pulled onto the battlefield ;)
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From:chronarchy
Date:February 3rd, 2005 10:25 pm (UTC)

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Haha. Excellent. I look forward to a good run-in with crazy powerful people and good challenges of faith. A crisis of faith never hurt anyone. :)

And I'll mark those dates down, just to see what happens. :)
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From:uberrod
Date:February 4th, 2005 04:44 am (UTC)
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I have some alternative interpretations, if you don't mind. I found some of your interpretations incomplete.

- Wunjo: joy, play, and happiness - a desire to do something with a sense of play.

- Hagalaz: destruction and sorrow - hurt feelings

- Jera: fruitful and fertile - a virtue?


Hagalaz is also indicative of a disruption, not just destruction and sorrow (for this I would expect to see Thurisaz), one that clears away junk to make way for better growth. Jera is more appropriately good timing, like crops growing as part of their natural cycle (jera means "year"). I would interpret this to mean that the happy go-lucky aspects will be disrupted, but this is for a reason and part of a greater cycle that is necessary for growth. Jera modifies the more terrible aspects of Hagalaz to make it more of a necessary disruption that leads to better things.

So I asked the runes to help me see the path more clearly:

- Ehwaz: horses, travel - "Harder on the horse"

- Tiwaz: justice and a guiding star - examples

- Fehu: wealth and generosity - the wolf in the woods.


Again, I would have a bit of a different interpretation. Ehwaz is not so much your path in life, but the vehicle you move through life in (Raidho is more properly your path in life). It is your body, your car, what have you. It is also partnership. Pay attention to your body and what it's trying to tell you. Also I'm sure your relationship with Tina will be essential. I agree with your assessment of Tiwaz. However, reciprocity and generosity is found more in Gebo than Fehu. Fehu is money. I would see this as a warning about money, which you correctly identified as the "wolf in the woods." It also can cause strife among kindred. Don't let yourself be caught up with money concerns. Or, on the other hand, maybe you should follow the money. Tiwaz will guide you. Another lesson of Fehu is circulation. Money hoarded becomes cursed. Money will be an issue to be dealt with and could be the crux of the upcoming crisis. Perhaps a fantastic job offer in another part of the country which is too good to pass up, but would seriously disrupt the life you have made for yourself where you are now.

I requested any more information the runes might be able to give me.

- Kenaz: The ulcer - pain and stress

- Laguz: water overflowing - what flows?

- Suwilo: the sun - a good end.


Kenaz is also inspiration. Laguz is also the subconscious. It is the still waters of a lake (Laguz means "lake")rather than the moving water of a river. Some authors would have Uruz (drizzle) as being the moving/flowing water. This reading is as instruction to find inspiration within. Sowilo is the outpouring of external divine energy. Pay attention to the divine as well as within. This would suggest divine aid. Basically, you need to meditate and pray and listen to what you find there.
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From:chronarchy
Date:February 4th, 2005 03:53 pm (UTC)
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Well, a lot of my interpretations start with the rune poems, and go from there. Sometimes, they're very literal, and sometimes they aren't.

Hagalaz I take from hail, and when hail hits an agrarian area, there isn't disruption, there's destruction. Given the effect it can have on a modern farmer (who has more options than a farmer in a purely agrarian society), I see it as leading to starvation and death as the worst possible outcome. But I do see the connection you have here with Jera (good harvest) and Hagalaz (hail).

Here, I see Ehwaz (the horse) being representative of those who have carried me so far in this journey, rather than the journey itself (that was probably unclear in the interpretation I did). It's a call not to rely on those people so far that they fatigue themselves.

With Fehu, there's a very strong message, I think, in the rune poems that it's generosity and hospitality that prevent the wolf in the woods (a kinsman who has been slighted) from becoming an enemy. . . or even from becoming the wolf in the first place. Wealth is only good if it is shared. It's kinda like a protection rune. . . you pay your money, you get protected. :)

Gebo shares the monetary points, and generally enhances it. . . but more importantly, there's not the sense of danger with that rune.

Laguz, in the Norwegian poem, is water that falls down a mountain. . . Which is why I tend to read it as "overflowing".

About Kenaz, though: yeah, "torch" is a decent translation, but I'm more disposed to "ulcer". In the end, it comes to what I think it is when I pull it.

But the crux of the issue is really that I haven't defined the problem in the post, which will make some of my choices seem strange or unlikely. I'd do that, but it wouldn't be smart, I don't think.
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From:qorinda
Date:February 4th, 2005 05:19 am (UTC)
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Sometimes, we become involved in things that we would rather see turn out differently.

Yeah, I can relate. Maybe I should turn to omens also... thanks for the idea.
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From:chronarchy
Date:February 4th, 2005 03:53 pm (UTC)
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It never hurts. I'm often just too lazy to bother with them. I should fix that.

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