March 16th, 2005
|06:00 pm - I know some of you are/have been Clergy. . .|
Got home, and remembered I wanted to ask a question:
For those who feel they're pre-disposed to clergy**, what should I be looking for to tell me I am?
I've got the idea that I should be looking for a calling. . . a vocation if you will. Can anyone describe that? Or point me to a good book that does? (And no, I'm definitely not opposed to reading books about Christian "vocations".)
Because damnit, I'm confused. It's official. And it bothers me that I can't figure it out.
** - note: I don't mean necessarily ordained clergy: self-styled clergy works just fine for me. I've been trying for over 7 months to figure this thing out.
Current Mood: confused
Current Music: "Last Mango in Paris", -JB
|Date:||March 17th, 2005 01:26 pm (UTC)|| |
Interestingly enough, having been raised catholic and groomed for the clergy rather nicely, I have a few thoughts on the subject.
The clergy is certainly a vocation. It's a big step, but the surest sign that it's a step that you should take is if it's a step you've already taken. That was always the way in the catholic church. the clergy is mostly made up of people who have been doing the job their whole lives anyway. They know the mass, the faith, and have a solid understanding of it and most of those people were already acting in many of the other capacities. Advisors, councelors, moral compass, etc.
Personally, I do think it'd be a fine choice for you. I think that if a bunch of druids came in from out of town and we told them that you were in the clergy they'd never know the difference and they'd probably be surprised to learn that you weren't. I can't think of much that would change if you went that route (barring the process). Just out of curiosity, what's holding you back?
Interesting on the "step you've already taken" bit. I have been doing a lot of that (dunno if I've been doing it my whole life, though Kori recently mentioned something about being surprised I haven't done it yet), but there's the wondering if I'm doing it because I'm SD, or if I'm SD because I'm doing it.Personally, I do think it'd be a fine choice for you.
Thanks for that. :)
I've had to correct people before after rituals. After our first Imbolc, there was a whole conversation where someone said, "You're a really good priest," to which I replied, "Actually, I'm not a priest at all," and the conversation went on from there.
The thing that's holding me back is that I'd have to dedicate a lot more time to it, it's not a step I want to take lightly with little forethought, and it's not something I'm certain I'm "called" to do.
Another thing that holds me back are the ADF clergy requirements. The requirements basically say that I need to be SD to a Grove of 9 members for 2 full years, which 3 Cranes won't reach until 10/25/05. I could apply to have that requirement waived, but the Grove already has one clergy member, romandruid
, so it's not needed at the moment.
Here's a counter question that I'm suddenly interested in, though: if you were groomed for it, why are you not seeking ordination right now? (Or are you, and I just don't know?)
|Date:||March 17th, 2005 09:49 pm (UTC)|| |
No, I'm not. I was moving in that direction, but then I realized that i wasn't actually Catholic because I didn't actually believe in a lot of the things that the chuirch taught. hard to be a priest at that point.
Well, what I meant was, why not work toward priesthood with ADF? It would, obviously, be a little silly to work toward priesthood with the Catholics :)
...but the Grove already has one clergy member, romandruid, so it's not needed at the moment.
Hey, don't let me stop you -- I'm pretty much in the same is-this-really-what-I-should-be-doing dilemma as you. We REALLY need to sit down, you and I, and have a heart-to-heart about this topic sometime. I keep reexamining my reasons for seeking clergy status... in retrospect, I'm not sure it was the right choice at all. It certainly doesn't seem to have been necessary
for anyone, and I really would like to put my finger on precisely WHY I did this and whether I should continue with it. I'm thinking that maybe if we tried to answer some of the same questions together, we might both come up with our own answers.
As for clergy/leadership styles, I do what I do for ADF simply because it needs to be done and by doing it, I serve my community and the Kindreds. I don't give a rat's ass about what title I have, about what folks think of me, whether my work is 'recognized' or appreciated, of what folks remember me for 20 years from now -- none of that is important. What is important to me is that what I can do is needed right now
, and if I serve effectively, hopefully I will have made the world a slightly better place for having done what I could.
What's frustrating about it for me is that I've gotten so much into this mindset of "what talents/skills do I have that I can offer to my church" that I often lose sight of the spiritual reasons why I want to contribute in the first place. That's one rut I haven't ever seen prone to, and I admire you for keeping your feet firmly planted in... er, whatever sort of rootedness you Discordians plant yourselves in. [shrug] Kudos to you for your sense of balance, dude.
You're right, we do need to sit down. If we don't have a Dedicant Priest in the Grove at Samhain (your credentials are, I believe, set to expire at Samhain), then we won't be approved for a full charter. We'll be able to apply on 10/25/05 for one of those, and I intend to apply the day we're eligible. We're a very strong Grove. Our growth rate is simply astounding for a Grove who doesn't have a regular place to worship and occasionally holds rites a full hour outside our home base. There's no reason we shouldn't be fully chartered just after Samhain.
Believe me, I'm not going to pressure you to keep with it, and I don't expect you to pressure me to take the job, either :) But between the two of us, one of us will probably have to have credentials in order to keep the Grove moving forward.
After a chat yesterday with shizukagozen
, I've gotten some really good answers. So I'm a bit more prepared than I was when I wrote this entry initially.
And you will be remembered in 20 years. If we can pull off this mentoring thing, it'll be in use at least that long. If not longer. And Preceptors for years to come will thank you for the amount of organization and stress reduction you've managed with this job.