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May 23rd, 2005


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03:37 pm - DP Mentoring, and junk.
Some of you may recall my work on a DP mentoring program. Here's the final course outline, week and topic:

Week | Topic

Week 1: Personal Religion and an Introduction
Week 2: The First Oath
Week 3: The first High Holy Day: an explanation.
Week 4: First High Day recap
Week 5: Nature Awareness 1
Week 6: first book started: I-E Studies
Week 7: Home Shrine
Week 8: Meditation and Mental Training
Week 9: The second High Holy Day: an explanation
Week 10: Second High Day recap
Week 11: The Two Powers
Week 12: Ancestors, the Mighty Dead
Week 13: The Nine Virtues: Wisdom
Week 14: The Home Shrine (revisited)
Week 15: The third High Holy Day: an explanation
Week 16: Third High Day recap
Week 17: The Nine Virtues: Piety
Week 18: Personal Religion
Week 19: The Dedicant Oath: First Thoughts
Week 20: The Nine Virtues: Vision
Week 21: The Fourth High Holy Day: An Explanation
Week 22: Fourth High Day Recap
Week 23: Nature Awareness 2
Week 24: The Two Powers
Week 25: The Nine Virtues: Courage
Week 26: Second Book Started: Modern Paganism 37
Week 27: The Fifth High Holy Day: An Explanation
Week 28: Fifth High Day Recap
Week 29: The Nine Virtues: Integrity
Week 30: The Two Powers: Final Essay
Week 31: The Three Kindred: Nature Spirits
Week 32: Meditation Reflection and Final Essay
Week 33: The Sixth High Holy Day: An Explanation
Week 34: Sixth High Day Recap
Week 35: The Nine Virtues: Perseverance
Week 36: Personal Religion
Week 37: Home Shrine Revisited, Final Essay
Week 38: The Nine Virtues: Hospitality
Week 33: The Seventh High Holy Day: An Explanation
Week 34: Seventh High Day Recap
Week 41: Nature Awareness (Final Essay)
Week 42: Third Book Started: Hearth Culture
Week 43: The Three Kindred: Deities
Week 44: The Nine Virtues: Moderation
Week 45: Eighth High Holy Day
Week 34: Eighth High Day Recap
Week 47: The Nine Virtues: Fertility
Week 48: The Three Kindred: Final Essays
Week 49: Wrapping Up: Personal Religion (Final Essay) and Book Reports
Week 50: The Dedicant's Oath
Week 51: Final High Day and Dedicant Oath Rite
Week 52: Final High Day and Dedicant Oath Rite Recap

I'm hoping to have it done by tonight. Then I get to go check and find out why I have nine High Days in one year and figure out what else is screwy. I'm down to the final 5 weeks.

It'll be discussed at Wellspring, I think.

Special thanks to the Dedicants of ADF. If I've posted something in your LJ about a DP entry, I probably mentioned a pointer I gave you in this program. And special thanks, also, to those who commented when I originally talked about this on LJ.

Enjoy.
Current Mood: accomplished
Current Music: "USS Zydecoldsmobile", -JB

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From:singingwren
Date:May 23rd, 2005 10:27 pm (UTC)
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*drools*
I want to do that. ;___;
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From:chronarchy
Date:May 23rd, 2005 10:37 pm (UTC)
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There's only one way.

Search your feelings . . . You know it to be true . . . come to the Dark Side!
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From:singingwren
Date:May 23rd, 2005 11:05 pm (UTC)
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By Dark Side do you mean ADF?

'Cause you know how desperately I want NOT to get involved with orgiastic, baby-sacrificing Satanic Druids such as yourselves...
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From:chronarchy
Date:May 23rd, 2005 11:43 pm (UTC)
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Absolutely not! Can't have that!

*snicker*
From:tanrinia
Date:May 25th, 2005 01:19 pm (UTC)
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awwwww.....but we need a third to be an axis of somewhat-evil!
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From:singingwren
Date:May 23rd, 2005 11:28 pm (UTC)
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Btw...

http://www.maryjones.us/jce/tarvostrigaranos.html

I assume you've seen that before, but I didn't know if you had or not. I was searching something, I forget what, and I marked it as something I wanted to read. I found it amusing she had the same exact buttons as you and everything, although I don't know if she stole your writing or not. But then, didn't you say you mimicked a layout too? Who knows. Looks very information from what I skimmed through, but that's your department.
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From:chronarchy
Date:May 23rd, 2005 11:42 pm (UTC)
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Hehe. Well, I don't know whose site came first, but Mary is tlachtga, and one of the smartest people in ADF, so far as I'm concerned. I found out a couple of weeks ago that I got her to join ADF, which was a shock and revelation to me. I didn't know I recruited such talented people!

But I stole my site design from ADF.org. The beautiful thing about that design, though, is that it's darn slick and quick loading. I really think that, in the end, anyone with an ounce of sense would come up with that design if they thought about it long enough. Excellent call to chirael for designing the ADF site that I copied off of :)

In short, it's one of the best references for Celtic mythology on the 'net, she didn't steal my site design, and I've been trying to get her into a schoolgirl outfit for over a year.

*grins*
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From:singingwren
Date:May 24th, 2005 01:51 am (UTC)
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That makes me happy!
Now I know I can read this whole big thing and know it's not bunk because somebody cool and awesome wrote it. :)
*does a little dance*
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From:romandruid
Date:May 24th, 2005 11:55 am (UTC)
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TARVOSTRIGARANOS, eh? That's a bull and three cranes... so TCG is misnamed even more than I had originally considered. Not that it should be "Three Cranes and a cow/bull," but "A Bull and three cranes."
Hmph! What is this, some kind of cow discrimination?? That you would give top billing to the cranes is insulting to cattle and those who love them... but to omit the bull entirely...!! As a cow afficiando, I think I can speak for the species (since it cannot defend itself) when I say HARUMPH!
From:bloodlikerain
Date:May 24th, 2005 12:52 am (UTC)

how many weeks are in a year again?

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are you trying to make this into a year long thing?
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From:chronarchy
Date:May 24th, 2005 01:47 am (UTC)

Re: how many weeks are in a year again?

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You can't finish the DP in less than a year. That's the shortest time you can do it in, because you need to complete each of the High Days *as an ADF Dedicant*.

re: weeks: 52 :)
From:bloodlikerain
Date:May 24th, 2005 02:07 am (UTC)

Re: how many weeks are in a year again?

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really, I had inturpretted that a lot differently.
I thought you just had to give an account as, of, how each high day affected you.

so say, 3 years ago beltain ritual with adf 6th NIght Grove, can't include that. every ritual i've done on every high day for like 5 years, can' in clude any of them?

wtf.
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From:saffronhare
Date:May 24th, 2005 04:09 pm (UTC)

Re: how many weeks are in a year again?

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Please understand that this plan simply exists as a guideline for DP Mentors who are working with dedicants eager for a more structured year-long curriculum. It's being discussed at Wellspring because it hasn't yet been released to prospective Dedicants as any sort of ADF-authorized thing. Our darling chronarchy is just, as usual, eager to be famous. :) This hypothetical year has nothing to do with how anyone ought to approach their Dedicant Program, or how your progress and achievements are evaluated at the end of the day. It's just one way of approaching the program, that's all.

As for the ritual attendance requirements: it all hinges on when you consider yourself to have started work on the DP. If a person starts their DP and sort of wanders away from in-depth scholarship or journaling while participating in a great deal of worship/ritual, then wanders back to more academic work again, it's logical to declare that year of public worship as part of your DP and write it up as such.

The documented full year of ritual needs to appear within the span of your DP work, whether it's a 52-week program or longer. If you've already started DP work
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From:saffronhare
Date:May 24th, 2005 06:46 pm (UTC)

I'll be interested to hear his reply, too.

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His schedule of 52 weeks is a proposed guideline for mentors who are called on to assign work to dedicants who say they need a plan for completing their DP in a year. It is not a revision of the DP you got a copy of last night, it does not dictate a required sequence or timeline, and it has no bearing on requirements other than outlining a plan of action for hitting them all if you'd rather not make your own plan.

I promise my teeth are only showing because I'm smiling. At him.
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From:chronarchy
Date:May 24th, 2005 06:52 pm (UTC)

Re: I'll be interested to hear his reply, too.

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Saff's right. There's no way there is a requirement that you will finish in a year. That's just the minimum.

This is purely a mentorship plan, not a plan for all Dedicants. Take it or leave it.

Back to work. (sorry, very busy)
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From:saffronhare
Date:May 24th, 2005 08:20 pm (UTC)

Re: I think you're both misunderstanding

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Ahaha. I think I understand your question (better?) now.

The year of High Holidays documented for the requirements need to happen within the time brackets of a person's actual Dedicant Program work. A person could certainly present "formative rituals" outside of the required High Holidays if they speak to one's spiritual development, but only to the extend that the basic requirements are already covered.

It's not a requirement that a person can "test out of" with prior experience...much like the meditation/journaling part.

Thanks for the clarification.
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From:romandruid
Date:May 24th, 2005 11:36 pm (UTC)

Re: I think you're both misunderstanding

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I'm sensing some confusion between requirement #2 (essays on the High Days) and #8 (essays on rituals attended). The #2 High Day essays are expository, not experiential -- objective explanations of the 8 NeoPagan High Days.

The #8 essays are about "rituals attended or performed by the Dedicant in a twelve month period." Implicit is the assumption that one who is dedicating onesself to a druidic path will actually observe each of the 8 High Days, and the 12-month period part was included in this wording specifically to ensure that the Dedicant covers the entire wheel of the year in these essays. Although there *may* be more than 8, each of the 8 High Days in a 12-month period should be covered in these essays.

As for *when* those rituals were attended... well, if you attended, say the local grove's Imbolc, Spring Equinox and Beltaine, but you didn't actually get your DP packet until late May (just by way of example), I'd say if by June you can remember what happened at those rite well enough to write about what happened and your reactions, you *could* write about those for your DP.

HOWEVER, why would you? One of ADF's prime mottos is "Why not excellence?" Are you in a big hurry to get done? Why? It makes more sense and will be FAR more meaningful to you to start when you start and write about your experiences from the time you begin your DP going forward -- not to mention that now, you're attending/participating in those rites not as a casual observer wondering if this is really the direction you want to head, but from the perspective of one who has taken at least one good, solid step down that path.

Does that help?
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From:romandruid
Date:June 3rd, 2005 03:24 pm (UTC)

Re: Thank you

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NP. I guess it really depends on when you consider yourself to have become a "dedicant." Maybe it was a couple years ago... maybe a couple weeks ago. I'd just like to encourage you to write about rituals, experiences, meditations, etc. that are *during the period of your dedicant training*. That's really the intent of the program and its exit standards. Make sense?
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From:chronarchy
Date:May 25th, 2005 02:09 pm (UTC)

Sorry for the long pause between comments yesterday

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For this mentorship program, no, sorry, you can't use previous experience. At least, not as it's written.

As someones DP mentor, I'd tell them, "No, you're not getting off that easy. You're going to do the work I assign, which you'll get more out of. Take a full year (more if necessary), but do each of these rites in an ADF context.

As a mentor, I'd require every High Day to be done in an ADF style (not just four). As a mentor, I can push harder, and they can get more out of it. As Senior Druid, I will push my Grove members to do the same. I'll encourage them to talk about other ritual experiences as well, but in the end, "Why not excellence?"

As a DP reviewer (an entirely different hat), it comes down to: can you really remember well what you did at those rites? Can you give a good description? Does it really look like you had a good grasp of what was going on? Can you demonstrate through the description that this is, indeed, an ADF rite? There, you just have to have minimal requirements, and only four have to be ADF-style. While we would strongly prefer ritual write-ups from the persons time period as a Dedicant, we wouldn't necessarily require it. I would, though, have trouble accepting write-ups for rituals that don't include things like the omens, who was the patron, and what you actually felt while doing it.

To clarify how I'm speaking, though, the above comments are about the general outline listed above (which is what the post was supposed to be about), not about the ADF Dedicant Program.
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From:chronarchy
Date:May 25th, 2005 02:20 pm (UTC)

Re: how many weeks are in a year again?

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I do everyting to be famous. And to get women.
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From:chronarchy
Date:May 25th, 2005 02:19 pm (UTC)

Re: how many weeks are in a year again?

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Why would you include that rite? You were at the last Beltaine rite, so you aren't required to talk about one from 2002. In fact, I would discourage that, given that you have a more recent one to draw on. (Remember, though, that you will need to provide one account of the rite, and a seperate one of your Dedicant Oath.)

However, in the thread of "Why not Excellence?" I would encourage you to give an accounting of as many rites as you can. This is more for your records than for your DP work, though.

And see below for some further answers. It's not just "how you felt". In this, you have to give an accurate enough description that your reviewer knows that you had an awareness for what was going on.

Finally, please note that the requirement itslef is clear on one point: at least four of your rituals *must* be done "during your training period", and that those four rituals *must* be ADF-style.

"8. A brief account of each High Day ritual attended or performed by the Dedicant in a twelve month period. High Days attended/performed might be celebrated with a local grove, privately, or with another Neopagan group. At least 4 of the rituals attended/performed during the training period must be ADF-style. (Suggested 100 words min. each)"
From:tanrinia
Date:May 25th, 2005 01:32 pm (UTC)

Re: how many weeks are in a year again?

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each of the 8 holy days or the 8 holy days plus the mystery day? :)

maybe the ninth holy day is actually the buffet ritual :)
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From:chronarchy
Date:May 25th, 2005 02:20 pm (UTC)

Re: how many weeks are in a year again?

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It could very well be. :) If nothing else, it'll end up being "the Dedicant Oath Rite"

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