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Ár nDraíocht Féin
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May 25th, 2005

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01:31 pm - Some things that have struck and/or amused me in the past few days:
  1. I need to learn how to treat people who have seizures. I've seen two in recent memory, and as a former first-responder to emergency situations, I should know this stuff, but I don't. And watching a man have a seizure in the airport yesterday was surreal. No one knew how to respond, and so no one did. I wasn't anywhere close to the guy, and I was the only person to run to the ticket counter to get help. What was wrong with those people? No one even called for help. But what really got me thinking about it was this thought: what happens if someone has a seizure at a Grove event?
  2. Also at the airport: "Please be conscious of all metal on your person." I was amused by this. It seemed to me that the nice-sounding lady on the intercom was asking people to use the Force to feel anything with metal content on their body, to separate it out, and to know where it is, mentally. It seemed like a very metaphysical way of putting it.
  3. From singingwren at lunch today: "Besides lactating sheep, there are other animals that lactate. That's why we have different traditions of Paganism." This, of course, is a reference to PSA's first Lantern Article. We teach our Co-Chairs well.
  4. Sometimes, you forget just how good your friends are.
  5. I saw Star Wars twice on opening night. I haven't talked about it, but it's one of the best stories I have at the moment. I'll definitely have to talk about it soon, because I saw it before everyone on my friend's list. I got to see a press screening. For free.

Current Mood: amusedamused
Current Music: "She's Got You", -JB

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Date:May 25th, 2005 07:03 pm (UTC)
Yeah, the whole thing about groups of people not responding is a weird psychological phenomenon. There's a name for it, but unfortunately I can't find my freshman-year psych. book to look it up. Maybe Monica could help out here? Anyway, they first noticed this in the 60's in New York City. There was a case where a woman was stabbed in a courtyard outside an apartment complex. She screamed for help before it happened, and screamed for a long time after she was stabbed, as she lay there dying. Many people heard her, yet no one called paramedics or police. Now I have to look that up...
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Date:May 25th, 2005 07:19 pm (UTC)
Then again, that's New York City. There's strange things that happen there.

Any place called "the Big Apple" is going to have "Kallisti" written all over it.

But yeah, people don't like to react. It's strange, and always surreal.
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Date:May 25th, 2005 07:22 pm (UTC)
That would be the infamous Kitty Genovese incident. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese
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Date:May 25th, 2005 08:01 pm (UTC)
Wow, that's really fun to read about.

I love Wiki. I'm clicking links and learning all about this stuff now.

Interestingly, I had many of the same feelings that they attribute to "Bystander Effect". I'm rather happy, though, that the difference is that I actually did something.

You know, she was kinda cute.
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Date:May 26th, 2005 12:19 am (UTC)
No, Wiki is evil! Kat's Latin professor runs it and forces them to write articles and research for it. He's a big Nazi, and so I have been told by Kat that this Wiki is fascist.
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Date:May 26th, 2005 09:12 pm (UTC)


I assume you mean Wikipedia, rather than Wiki in general; there are lots of Wikis in the world.

And ANYONE can write for Wikipedia.
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Date:May 25th, 2005 09:23 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the link.
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Date:May 25th, 2005 08:18 pm (UTC)

Responding to seizures

I am an epileptic (Grand Mal seizures), and though I haven't had a seizure in over 25 years, it's not something that can be gotten over.

The only thing you can do for someone having a grand mal seizure (I assume that's what you're talking about - "Grand Mal" seizures are the uncontrollable shaking and loss of bodily functions), is get everything and everyone out of their way until the seizure has run it's course. The WORST thing you can possibly do is try to restrain or stop the seizure - there are cases of people breaking bones and getting severely hurt because someone tried to restrain them during a seizure. If you can, shove a pillow or something soft underneath their head so they don't smash their head and hurt themselves.

After the seizure is done, they will be really physically weak, and will need assistance moving and walking. Bring them to professional medical attention immediately (you don't know WHY they are having a seizure). They will often be emotionally mortified, so be very kind and gentle with them.
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Date:May 25th, 2005 08:25 pm (UTC)

Re: Responding to seizures

I realized as I watched this man come to that, even though he had no control over himself, even though there was nothing to be ashamed of, I would feel absolutely mortified if it ever happened to me.

It was strange to watch this man, to be concerned for him, to know that I did pretty much everything I could (which was very little, and I've found that there is very little one *should* do, as you note), and to know that from his perspective, my concern might look like staring or gawking. Once medical help arrived, I turned away and went back to looking at departure signs.

But I was really thinking that, if it ever did happen to me, I'd hope I could take that knowledge and say, "I remember that the looks were not disapproving. I remember that people were genuinely worried, even if they didn't do anything."

Whether I think that or not if/when it does happen, hopefully the thought in the back of my mind will help some.

It's strange what we humans get embarassed over, but it's the same for all of us.
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Date:May 25th, 2005 09:53 pm (UTC)
Someone posted in customers_suck that while she was working in a food service position one day, a man fell down onto the floor and started to have a seizure. Not only did people not help him, they actually stepped over him to attempt to place their own orders and get food.
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Date:May 26th, 2005 12:21 am (UTC)
And yeah, funny what people get embarassed about.

*eyes her quote*

Good thing I am shameless.
Date:May 26th, 2005 11:45 am (UTC)
When I tried to get through Australian customs I was very aware of all the metal on my person. Yet they still made a big deal when the alarm thing went of. Bastards.
Date:May 26th, 2005 07:57 pm (UTC)
re: seizures

best advice (and what we tell folks over the 911 horn) is to Do Nothing. get stuff out of the way and make sure they're not going to twitch down a ravine, but other than that, just let it run its course.

folks seizing will often turn blue (and there are other reasons than epilepsy). you won't be able to perform cpr while their seizing, so one should wait and see what happens after they're done.

you maybe be able to check for medic-alert jewelry or cards while seizing, but definitely check afterwards.

and good gods, if you feel uncomfortable go ahead and call 911, that's what they pay me for! wait 5 minutes, my ass. (grrr.)

the rest of the advice on that page is pretty much what we're trained to tell folks. nothing in the mouth until they are FULLY alert (meaning they can talk to you and stuff and it actually makes sense).

and maybe grove members who regularly attend functions should disclose any situations that may arise? i ask my students to do this...we don't need a complete medical history but just a "hey, when this happens, do this" or "i keep my epi-pen here in case of bee stings"...that sort of thing.

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