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September 15th, 2005


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11:18 am - Where the hell am I? Mid-east-west?
Football has the West Coast Offense. 'AA' hockey has the East Coast Hockey League. There's a Midwest Institute of Sexology.

The thing that America has always had is the wide open feeling. There's 3,537,441 square miles of room to stretch out in. This, of course, leads to the strange way we refer to things, as if their location makes things vastly different.

I say "as if," but really things are different on the west coast, in the south, and in New England. The ADF Groves show this in some very interesting ways. Even the Gate Opening, a standard among ADF Groves, varies from place to place, with different Groves using different hand-signs, energy-raising techniques, and chants.

That's really why festivals are so important to me: it creates a place were we can experience these things, learn about them, and get them done.

I'm slightly saddened that I can't make it out to Red Oak Grove's Fall Fest this weekend (If the link doesn't work, try later: ROG has the most unreliable server I've ever seen on the internet). I'd hoped I could make it, but things, as they will, came up, and I ended up being more broke this week than I ever have been before. Importantly, though: I'm not sure I'm ready for another festival today . . . I need some more time.

In other news, I'm going to be fixing the PSA Welcome Message for the Listserv, I think. It still notes that Jenica and Brian are the contacts for getting onto the list or solving problems.

I've decided that the list management is something I have to look further into. At the moment, I'm kinda stumbling blindly into it. It would be nice to maybe include something slightly more informative as a welcome message (not at all insinuating that rfunk did a poor job, but it is somewhat sanitized in some places). :)

So my lunch, today, will be spent pouring over the Listserv manuals trying to find out how to do this. (I admit, I get a bit of a thrill from learning things on my own.)
Current Mood: amusedamused
Current Music: "Knees of My Heart", -JB
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From:valkyrvolva
Date:September 15th, 2005 04:06 pm (UTC)

about those gates...

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What do you think of Gatkeepers/gate opening? OK, that's broad. Do you think it is an integral or a peripheral part of ritual? Can the Kindreds not hear us if the Gates are closed? Is it a psychological thing rather more than a magical/spiritual thing?

We recently had two powerful experiences while experimenting with the whole Gate bit. One was a kick-ass, intense gate opening (stolen and adapted from Sonoran Sunrise Grove's-or what we saw at Trillium in Kirk's workshop) that we used at the beginning of ritual inplace of a Grove attunement.

And the second, we didn't bother with the Gates at all since our Matron is forever popping in on each of us. She doesn't knock, neither will we! That ritual was just as intense, centered, focused, wild and wooly as the other.

(is it a violation of LJ etiquette to write so much in someone's comment section?)
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From:chronarchy
Date:September 15th, 2005 05:04 pm (UTC)

Re: about those gates...

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I think that, in ADF *group* ritual where you have a number of new people, it's integral.

But I talk to deity all the time without opening gates.

But I find them very magically/spiritually useful. Then again, I don't believe in psychology today.
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From:wishesofastar
Date:September 15th, 2005 05:56 pm (UTC)

Re: about those gates...

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Do you mean "Psychology Today" the magazine, or that you don't, on this day, believe in psychology?

When I read your second paragraph, it made me think of the Schoolhouse Rock cartoon, "Elbow Room". Heh.
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From:chronarchy
Date:September 15th, 2005 06:26 pm (UTC)

Re: about those gates...

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I'll say "both" that first question.

I'm totally watching that Schoolhouse Rock video tonight.
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From:wishesofastar
Date:September 15th, 2005 06:48 pm (UTC)

Re: about those gates...

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Rock. :)
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From:rfunk
Date:September 15th, 2005 04:27 pm (UTC)

Welcome Message

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I hate writing welcome messages. When I'm doing it, it's hard for me to put myself in the position of the person reading it and what they want to know, especially since my main goal at that moment (setting up the list) generally requires a totally different mindset. If it sounds sanitized it's because I was being generic.

I would offer to dig up the Listserv command message I sent to create that welcome message, but you'll have the answer before I'll be able to go home and look through my mail archives. Also, as I recall there was a web interface created to take care of much of the list management, so maybe you can do it there.

I wonder if Jenica has ever received any odd requests because that welcome message.
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From:chronarchy
Date:September 15th, 2005 05:02 pm (UTC)

Re: Welcome Message

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It's quite the good welcome message, really, but perhaps not so friendly as it could be (my customer services training might make the difference, tweaking a word here and there), plus it lacks some recent info.

And yeah I have the commands :) I'll be looking at the web interface to see what I can do with that, but I very much prefer the email interface.

Jenica never forwarded any to me, if she got any, and it's not like she ever worked well with Brian (or him with her, for that matter).

I'll be putting myself as primary contact and you as secondary, if you don't mind. I'll include ceolnamara as the third, I think, and leave the Co-Chairs off because they change (sometimes far too often). I've left ceolnamara on primarily because she has actually done something with the list in the past.
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From:singingwren
Date:September 15th, 2005 05:19 pm (UTC)

Re: Welcome Message

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If you guys need help with any of this, let me know. I'd be happy to do whatever I can. I should be back online tomorrow... if I'm not you might need a new co-chair because I'll be running from the authorities in regards to the corpse of a cable man in my kitchen. Happens, you know.

Anyway, I also just feel the need to say hello to Mr. R Funk, because I never before made the connection that this guy from LJ is the same guy from the PSA list. So, hi. Hehe.
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From:rfunk
Date:September 15th, 2005 05:52 pm (UTC)

Re: Welcome Message

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Er, hi!
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From:rfunk
Date:September 15th, 2005 05:33 pm (UTC)

Re: Welcome Message

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Sounds good to me. I'll be interested to see the difference between the my ancient version and your new version.
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From:chronarchy
Date:September 15th, 2005 05:35 pm (UTC)

Re: Welcome Message

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*laughs* Hopefully it won't be that big a difference. I'm still puzzling it out in my head, I admit.
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From:chronarchy
Date:September 21st, 2005 03:36 pm (UTC)

Re: Welcome Message

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Changes were smaller than I initially figured, primarily I changed some punctuation, changed "on the list" to "subscribed to the list", added "by default" to a settings question, updated an addy for help, set the PSA webpage correctly (a very recent change), added a note about the yahoo! group, and pointed to my webpage in case they were interested about PSA's history (I'm slowly adding more notes and such).

And, of course, removed Jenica from our list of "helpers" :)
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From:zylch
Date:September 15th, 2005 06:13 pm (UTC)

Ain't got no clue what yer talkin' bout.

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I'm not sure whether Wild Hare's particular way of doing things (such as it is) can be blamed on our location. I reckon it has a fair bit more to do with the peculiar personalities we claim as our own. Except, of course, for any time you hear me say, "Well, I reckon we oughta open up them gates sometime soon." That's entirely due to Kansas and has nothing to do with my personality. Really.
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From:chronarchy
Date:September 15th, 2005 08:11 pm (UTC)

Re: Ain't got no clue what yer talkin' bout.

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My friend always wanted to do a "closing ritual" at a festival by gathering everyone in one place, taking out a shotgun, firing it into the sky, and shouting, "GIT!"
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From:rfunk
Date:September 15th, 2005 09:49 pm (UTC)

Re: Ain't got no clue what yer talkin' bout.

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And have buckshot rain down on the stragglers? There's incentive for ya.
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From:hearthstone
Date:September 15th, 2005 07:09 pm (UTC)
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It would be interesting to see where different groups got their different practices from--maybe to make the variations available as liturgical examples or options?

There are similar differences in heathen practice, some of which does seem to be regional--however, with so many groups being self-taught from books or the net this doesn't necessarily hold true. And that's with a far simpler ritual format than ADF's--you'd think there wouldn't be so much room for variation, but there always is.
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From:chronarchy
Date:September 15th, 2005 08:13 pm (UTC)
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I agree, that would be interesting. I was thinking it would make for a very nifty article in OL.
From:occipitaldruid
Date:September 17th, 2005 01:48 pm (UTC)
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hey...Happy Birthday, btw!!

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