September 26th, 2005
|01:48 pm - Finding the Inner Messiah|
Well, it's not perfect, but here, I hope, is an explaination of what exactly this working is all about, and what I hope it will accomplish.
Finding the Inner Messiah
Please, let me know what you think about this thing. I'm very curious.
[On a side note: I've just gotten my raise. It was half the amount my house payment went up this year]
Current Mood: accomplished
Current Music: "One Particular Harbor", -JB
|Date:||September 26th, 2005 05:53 pm (UTC)|| |
I know a guy that can refinance you . . .
It was all in taxes. My rate is actually excellent.
However, I suppose I've no one to blame but myself and my neighbours, as we voted on those increases.
Eh, well, I suppose it doesn't suck too badly. You can still be my friend.
As for the raise, SCORE! Good job, man. I didn't think OSU actually PAID its employees. ;P As for the house payment, erf, well... damn. I shake my fist for you.
Good to know you somewhat approve of the working. :)
|Date:||September 26th, 2005 06:02 pm (UTC)|| |
I like that working a good deal (at least the background of it) and I was familiar with a little of that work (though I'll have to research the rest sometime). I agree that it's a dangerous working, but worth while, i think. I wish you luck with it.
Thanks. I'm having some procedural issues regarding actually getting into the darkness. Still working out the kinks.
I have a book with an article on Sabbatai Zevi. It's more or less a book on odd people through the ages.
The ritual idea and comments remind me of a ritual that took place in a work of fiction I read recently. I don't know if the ritual itself has any basis in reality beyond what the author conceptualized herself (I guess not). However, the similarities are striking. In the book a man who is cursed goes to Crete with his pirate crew and a woman who he captured. He comes ashore and finds decendants of Midos who form a spiritual set. They have a ritual for taking away sin, and it involves going deep into a cave after strict preparation and facing that which is deep within the self.
Of course, the girl is the heroine of the story and goes into the cave just as the man is about to perish from his own inner self (his demons I guess you could say). She profanes the mystery and comes out alive, which is part of why it's a good story. Anyway, I only added the last bit because it's part of the story, not because I think it has anything to do with why I think the ritual seems similar :-)
Oh, the book is called Kushiel's Chosen and is part of a series. It deals with a lot of stuff I imagine is not your taste in literature.
It's a common theory in comparative religions that a lot deals with a "shadow self" or something like that. I've had a breif exchange about it recently. I don't believe that this particular idea reflects that, though you'll find similar things in cultures that deal with shamanism.
I just don't see the same parallels others do in it. In this case, I think that each culture is doing something entirely different, even if the method is similar.
Though I might be very intersted in the chapters of the book that deal with this. It might help me figure things out.
In this particular working, these are places only the Messiah can go. A magician can never reach them.
Now, a Magician-Messiah, that could work.
But not a magician.
Which book? I can't say as I have.
|Date:||September 26th, 2005 06:54 pm (UTC)|| |
Do you think Kelipot are the same thing as the Qliphoth?
I think it is an admirable working, and one that we all have to undertake at some point, I believe, in some form. Sort of the hero's journey down into the underworld, to come back to wholeness.... or like soul retrieval in shamanism. I am very curious as to the ritual that you finally come up with.
It's a transliteration difference from the Hebrew to an English alphabet. Similar to "Kaballah" and "Quiballa" or any other weird variation of the spelling.
I wonder what spelling Madonna and Britney would insist on?
But yes, there are parallels in other religions, but I think that the parallel here is mostly artificial, created due to the necessity to focus on myself, rather than all of humanity.
Sorry about that. It's frightfully difficult to explain, especially in anything resembling a "concise" manner.
Interesting, though I'm not sure I really digested everything there. We grew up learning primarily the Charlton Heston parts of the Torah, so mysticism in that context would generally be confined to acts performed explicitly by God Himself. Also don't forget that my Catholic former roommate claimed to be a better Jew than me.
My only real exposure to the Messianics was a former co-worker. According to her, the Messianic sects are so deeply shunned by traditional Judaism that she would be legally forbidden to become an Israeli citizen even if she wanted to move there. Not sure how accurate that is, but it sure makes it sound ominous doesn't it? So yeah... I guess this is kind of "out there" from what I'm generally familiar with.
But hey, let me know if anything a little more Reformed would be helpful. I'm sure I could round up some Manishewitz matza or something. :) And I'm sure my family wouldn't mind if you stopped by for Rosh Hashanah or Yom Kippur. Though that's mostly us sitting around the table eating and talking.
Haha. Sounds like a pair of ideal holidays, those two do.
Yes, the Sabbatian sect is about as heretical as you can get now. I mean, hell, they believe a guy who converted to Islam is the Messiah the Jews have been waiting for, and he's already shown up!
I was unaware that they'd be denied citizenship in Israel, but then again, Israel doesn't really surprise me anymore with their crazy laws.
:Shrug: Frankly, it doesn't look too dangerous to me. You're taking a journey into yourself; in my opinion, that's only as frightening as you allow it to be. The whole "finding the messiah within" bit seems rather New-Agey, really. Doesn't sound too dangerous. Good luck with that.
Hehe. I could probably charge $300/session with a bunch of fruit loops, if I just added some crystals.
As for danger, I'd rather invoke Cthulhu. I think it'd be safer, and probably saner.
These are things deeper, darker than that fictional tentacled cuddle-buns.
And I think you're just trying to push my buttons, girl :)
Oh, and congrats on the raise!
Anything is better than nothing, but does it have to be so little of an anything?
well I got the best review ever in my history of work and my big raise.....drum roll please....$20.00 a week...I got the "well times are tough all over" so I feel ya player...but didn't the OSU prez just get a big raise???? Oh yeah,the other stuff is cool too....
|Date:||September 27th, 2005 12:23 am (UTC)|| |
|(Link)|let me know what you think about this thing. I'm very curious.
I think you're right on in terms of timing and energy vis-a-vis your Pluto transit
This type of deep, inner, transformative work fits into that perfectly, and your courage in doing it is highly laudable. And, of course, congrats on the raise (and condolences re: your rising house pmt).
Somehow I thought you'd mention that transit :)
btw, the posts on the 19/20th of Sept. are probably what you're looking for with the date of "something big" on Sept. 18, I suppose.
I wonder what would happen if I picked several dates at random and looked at them? I may need to do that, and compare. :)
Now that I understand what you're doing, I understand why this is dangerous. Partially because I've done something like this. Not in the ritual sense but in the sense of taking a jackhammer to your own psyche. It can get rough.
You'll be stronger for it in the end. That's how these things work.
I don't understand why exactly you're compelled to do this in the particular style you are but that's OK- it's your brain, not mine.
Exactly. There are some things that could use some re-working, and we're talking more than a fresh coat of paint.
Hey! I wanted to ask if you could help me with a friend of mine who is interested in runes. I don't know much about them, but I figured you were one of the few people I could ask to help her out. Her name is Holly and her e-mail address is firstname.lastname@example.org if you're interested. It was funny, I gave her information on the Three Cranes Grove and told her to e-mail you to contact, but she's a little shy so she didn't. Kasey
|Date:||September 27th, 2005 06:20 pm (UTC)|| |
Re: A proposition
Sure, I'll drop her a line. :)
|Date:||September 27th, 2005 08:48 pm (UTC)|| |
I finally got a chance to read all of this today. It looks like a beautiful and fascinating ritual. As a couple of people have said, it does seem like a soul retrieval, but different and a bit bigger, as well. If the paradigm rings your bell as this seems to, it’s probably the right thing.
Now whether it is dangerous, I think that all depends. In my experience with magical and inner workings, if you are ready for the work, if you have prepared for it, have realistic goals, and aren’t using it to avoid something else, then the work is so easy that it seems too easy. But if on the other hand you are using the work to “skip a step”, if you are avoiding something else that needs to be done, the magical working can have disastrous and painful effects. You will be forced to deal with whatever you *should* be dealing with first. I hope this makes sense to you. Only you can answer for sure whether you are ready for this working, but my sense is that you are. Good luck to you!
Glad you like it. It was fun and intriguing to write.
Thanks for the luck :)