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December 29th, 2005


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03:11 pm - Silly Vedics . . . paps are for kids!
So I'm reading through the Vedas, and I come across this nifty Sacrifice of Five Oblations that I'd like to work up into a ritual. The problem is, I don't have quite enough background to fully understand it. The main problem (and it's a big one) is understanding what exactly the oblations are:

fried grain
mush
the pap
the cake
the milk mess

What kind of grain? What sort of mush? Wtf is pap? What kind of cake? Milk is usually messy, but what's special about this?

I think I can figure out the rest of it, but these five oblations are obviously vital. . . but no instruction is given in context to make 'em.

So, it looks like I'm off to the beginning of the Vedas to read straight through. . . yippee-kai-yai-ay, and all that.

   He who knows the sacrifice with the five oblations propsers with the sacrifice of five oblations.

Yeah, I could live with prospering.
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From:chronarchy
Date:December 29th, 2005 09:14 pm (UTC)
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I'm not sure how much help a modern book would be. I think I'm stuck with figuring it out from the Vedas themselves.
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From:shizukagozen
Date:December 29th, 2005 09:21 pm (UTC)
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But, the Vedas are not Indian and were not written in India. There is a possibility whatever is called for may not be Indian. Of course, there is the very same possibility that it is Indian. :)
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From:chronarchy
Date:December 29th, 2005 09:43 pm (UTC)
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The caste system, or my understanding of it, is a Hindu phenomenon, I think. Vedic society appears to have had a class system.

The more I look at modern Hinduism, the less I'm convinced that it deals with anything remotely similar to the four Vedas. I was just reading about a number of minor deities the other night, and they're all major deities according to Hinduism. The world seems topsy-turvy to me, comparing the two faiths.

As for fires sacred to Agni, all fires are Agni. . . What makes one sacred to Agni?
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From:rfunk
Date:December 29th, 2005 10:27 pm (UTC)

Speaking of looking more at Hinduism and a topsy-turvy world...

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Ever read Lord of Light? :-)
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From:chronarchy
Date:December 29th, 2005 10:31 pm (UTC)

Re: Speaking of looking more at Hinduism and a topsy-turvy world...

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Wow, I don't think I recognized a single deity name in that description :) Hinduism, I admit, is pretty far afield from my interests, but this book does look rather amusing.
From:shizukagozen
Date:December 29th, 2005 09:45 pm (UTC)
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As the post revolves around the Vedas, I thought it best to stick with the primary sources. I could easily quote post-Vedic texts, but do not see it as needed.

The vast majority of the Indian connection with the ancient Vedics is confined to Vedic words, most of which no longer have their original meaning, place in society/religion, or reason for being.

Modern India is far more influenced by its Dravidian roots and Buddhism, Jainism, and other Vedic off shoots. The caste system is not Vedic, the Vedas had a class system. Comparing modern and ancient society's and the religion's view on these two things (class and caste) show how little of Vedism's influence survives today.

The Vedas specifically explain how to build sacred fires and what to do should one go out. The difficulty with the sacrifices/oblations is that offerings may no longer exist or be impossible to gather. Thankfully, the early Brahmins had work-arounds so it is possible to create a fire to give an "authentic gift".

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