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November 21st, 2006


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02:03 pm - Thinking about where to go from here, web-wise
I've been looking over Chronarchy.Com's backend specs. The site sits at about 275 MB in size, out of a possible 400 MB. My virtual "rent" is fairly cheap (which is good: I could never afford more), but I'm thinking about what I'd like to do with the site, and it *does* just keep growing.

So as I look at it, I start to size it up. There's ever the option of adding wiki. . . A fun tool that ADF members will know well (as will users of that silly depository of "knowledge," Wikipedia), but it doesn't seem to serve my needs. There are mailing lists and polls and things like that which could really enhance the "experience" of Chronarchy.Com, but they're not so much useful as "cool."

I could create a "members only" section, but that bothers me on a lot of levels: I'm one of those rare people who really likes the transparency that the Internet provides, the openness it promotes and the weird quirks of oh-shit-I-shouldn't-have-posted-that moments that we all have. They make life interesting, at the very least. Only one directory on my pages is password protected, and all it's got are four images.

I can create a nifty chat function (I did this on the Three Cranes site, but more as a fun thing to play with than an actual tool), but I don't have the time to staff it or really participate in it to any extent.

I could add a blog, but between MySpace, Facebook, and LiveJournal, I am totally blogged out. Enough that my webpage, which I always wanted to keep primary, is wasting away for lack of new content (don't tell me you haven't noticed. . .)

I could sell stuff, but given the lackluster response my CafePress site gets (even with ADF-related material available on it being published at cost), I have a feeling that's a losing proposition. Besides, the CafePress site is linked off every page of the site, and in a year and a half, it's earned all of $6.02.

But what actually interested me was a little program called "Moodle". Moodle is a course management system that allows people to take courses on your website. It allows for virtual workshops, assignments, chat sessions, creation of resources, etc.

I look at it and I think that, hell, I could put the WotY up on that. I could set it up to assign things on a regular basis, create due dates, quiz people over the material, and seriously upgrade and reorganize the resources available. And I could also create something like that for the various GSP courses, or clergy training. And honestly, I'm a little excited.

The central problem with it is the installation size. It's nearly 50 MB, and that'll put me dangerously close to the edge, given my current usage and the rate the site has grown at: about 68 MB/year on average.

With additional size, there's additional cost. So now I'm thinking: is it worth the upgrade cost? How can I make the additional virtual "rent?" Would anyone use it? How much backend work is needed: can it run itself? Is it fair to offer the course for cash (the idea makes me somewhat uncomfortable), or should I just check ADF membership and make it a free-for-all romp if I decide to do it?

Yes, these are things I wonder about during sunny lunch hours in winter.
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From:chirael
Date:November 24th, 2006 09:15 am (UTC)
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I had a few thoughts on the question of whether you should charge, too.

First, no one will ever value your time as much as you do. So if you're not where you want to be financially, ask yourself what value you put on your time - and chances are others are putting the same or lower value on it, too.

So that's definitely something leaning toward charging.

The only difficulty that could arise is, how much of this work would you see as "clergy" work? Assuming that you don't charge for "clergy" work, if this fit into that category in whole or in part, then that could be a possible argument toward not charging, or not charging much anyway.

This more or less sidesteps the question of whether our clergy, in general, should be charging for their services.

I know it's not uncommon for ministers to charge (what seems to me) a nominal fee for performing a marriage (for example). So I guess there's something to be said for putting some kind of a value on our clergy's time.

But that's really part of a larger discussion, especially since much of the pagan world seems to want things for free or dirt cheap. (Though I'll admit my perception of that could be skewed by the occasional and periodic messages we get to the ADF-Office account asking how dare we charge for membership etc.).

I know Skip charges for his training (not sure if he's still actively doing it), obviously Rob and Gwynne did, and I suspect there are a few others who did or do charge. So there's a bit of precedent there.

But I think it ultimately comes down to putting a value on your time simply because, well, I kind of think you NEED to do that (and by "you" I mean "anyone" needs to).

Of course, I've always been one to argue that ADF shouldn't be afraid to mark up our stuff and actually make a "profit" on things, while others have acted like that's a dirty word or something.

Sorry, but if we want to do great things, we need resources to do it with, and if we keep interpreting "non-profit" as "barely scraping by, barely charging enough to pay our expenses" then guess what, we're not going to get to implement a lot of those ideas, never mind having reserves in case something bad should happen.

But there I go on a tangent again :)
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From:chronarchy
Date:November 24th, 2006 04:27 pm (UTC)
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I personally have no problem charging for weddings (there's time involved in meeting with the couple, getting there, setting up, running the service, and a lot of preparation involved: a good wedding might take a good 60+ hours all told, I understand). I'm not so keen on charging for training that's part of an ADF program, personally. I think that unless we get accredited, there's no point.

And if I paid something on order of what OBOD charges and got what they send out, I would be f'in' pissed, honestly.

I like where we are in charging. I think we need to offer more opportunities for people to donate more, and give them more reasons to donate. In particular, if someone wants to do one of the training programs, then we need to make it worth their money, and encourage donations for them.

Actually, that might be something we could look at: set up a training budget and allow people to donate to that fund. I know qorinda will love a new fund, but really, putting, "Training in the Brewer's Guild is free, but a donation of at least $15 per circle is encouraged to support the organization and pay for administrative and back end work," somewhere on the page.

Of course, I might just charge for some Chaos Magic stuff.

Pagans, though, are cheap-ass bastards. We are. We're a generally protestant culture (everyone can contact deity equally) that often doesn't want to do hard work (magic can do that for me) and have a persecution complex (no one understands me or likes me, guess I'll go eat worms). There's no value on Clergy in such a culture, and most Neo-Pagans don't get far enough ahead to pay for things, anyway.

So ADF has some problems getting cash. We always will until we can show that our clergy have real value (hard to do with sacrificial priests). Even our training is problematic: we need to show that we're better than the books, better than OBOD, and better than being solitary.

Heh. ADF needs a marketing firm.

Visibility, though, goes a long way in that. That's why I'm so active on LJ, so visible in other communities, and run that damn big website. We have to add value (perceived or real) to ADF.
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From:singingwren
Date:November 24th, 2006 09:35 pm (UTC)
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Heh. ADF needs a marketing firm.

*ears perk up*

I wanna be in the Marketing Guild!
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From:chronarchy
Date:November 27th, 2006 02:42 pm (UTC)
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I believe that would be third function? Producers?

Get to producin'!
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From:chirael
Date:November 28th, 2006 12:48 am (UTC)
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Years ago we had an "outreach committee", aka marketing subgroup, but nothing ever really happened with it. You're welcome to start it up again ;)

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