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February 12th, 2007


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01:09 pm - Mel, your moralization is frightening. . .
tesinth and I went to see Apocalypto at the dollar theatre yesterday. While the moral of the movie appears to be "Thank God the White Catholics showed up in time to save the noble savages," we found ourselves wondering:

Poll #925849 Poll 20: Let the shushing begin!

At what point may you speak during a movie in the theatre?

At any point, you may carry on a conversation.
0(0.0%)
At any point, but only short questions are allowed (e.g. "Who is that?" "What's he doing?" "Can you get me some Junior Mints?")
20(40.8%)
At any point, but only comments about the plot are allowed (e.g. "Dude!" "I knew it!" "That was cool!" or "Damn, she's hot!")
5(10.2%)
Only after the credits begin to roll.
7(14.3%)
Only after any sketches that play during the credits (e.g. people dancing, animated creatures telling jokes, gag reels)
0(0.0%)
Only after any ending material (e.g. extra scenes after credits)
1(2.0%)
Any time during the credits, unless sketches are occuring, but you have to be silent for ending material.
12(24.5%)
Only when the lights go up in the house.
4(8.2%)

At what point is the movie officially "over"?

When you get up to leave.
8(16.7%)
When the credits begin to roll.
10(20.8%)
When the credits begin to roll, unless there are sketches or something to watch while they roll.
7(14.6%)
After all sketches or ending material (e.g. scenes at the very end, after the credits).
10(20.8%)
When the lights go up at the very end of the film.
13(27.1%)


You see, during the credits, while tesinth and I were trying to make heads or tails of the movie (and failing on both counts, aside from to say, "Well, it's a good thing those white Catholics eventually showed up to fix the problem, isn't it?"), we were "shushed" by an old guy who informed us, "Excuse me, the movie isn't over yet." This was well more than half-way through the credits, which have no vocalization, and honestly, aren't any fun to watch (the only reason we were still there was because I was looking for an ASPCA certification. . . which of course wasn't there. . . I suspect a number of animals were harmed in the making of this movie).

This of course, led us to sit through the rest of the credits in silence, and then ask each other if the movie was over and if we were allowed to speak now that the house lights had gone up.

Centrally, tesinth and I would have been happy to be quiet, if he'd said something like, "Guys, we're listening to the music. Would you mind staying quiet until the credits are finished?" But he informed us that the movie was still going on instead, as if we were somehow unaware that the credits were running. His tone of voice was also extremely condescending. It would have been nice to have been asked to be quiet, rather than tell us that we were punk kids because we didn't understand his definition of the end of the film.

So now, I find myself curious, which is why I noted the poll above.

Also, this movie is apparently not about Mayans at all, but Aztecs. I ended up even more confused when I realized that.

And btw, I expect that the "moral of the story" listed above isn't a spoiler. It was, merely, the final conclusion I drew from this movie, much like "Christ wasn't a savior, he was a magician" was the conclusion I drew from Passion. If you see the movie and determine that I did, indeed, somehow spoil the ending with that comment, I grant you permission to post most venomously on my LJ in retaliation.
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From:tesinth
Date:February 12th, 2007 10:04 pm (UTC)
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Well, as I mentioned on the way back to the car, I didn't think that the point was implicitly that the white man was there to save them, but I could see how this can be interpreted.

Adding to that is the huge point being made that the Mayans are "Noble Savages" and the Aztecs are "Savage-savages", i.e. evil. Hell, it felt like I was watching something a conquistador (or, more precisly, something that one fo the monks that traveled with them) wrote. This can be a much more convincing arguement if plot details could be summarized here, but since I see a few people here haven't seen it yet (and want to), I'll stay quite. Before we were silenced for being so darn rude, I made the comment that we should remake this movie with the Aztec characters as the "good guys" (and the Mayans as bad, it'll be way too easy to have the conquistadors be the bad guys).

In regards to the whole Aztec/Mayan thing, I was informed that it was about Mayans. When we were first shown the Aztec characters, I thought, ok, perhaps these are Aztec-influenced Mayans, but it was frickin' clear that their main city was a huge Aztec urban and spiritual center, the Mayans had nothing close to this at all, either in scale or style. And while it wouldn't be far fetched at all to say that the Aztecs had contact with the Mayans, certain spacial events that happen in the movie would be very impossible...

It is certainly a Mel movie though, that guy must get off on fake blood or something...
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From:nontacitare
Date:February 13th, 2007 12:05 am (UTC)
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In regards to the whole Aztec/Mayan thing, I was informed that it was about Mayans. When we were first shown the Aztec characters, I thought, ok, perhaps these are Aztec-influenced Mayans, but it was frickin' clear that their main city was a huge Aztec urban and spiritual center

I thought the language of the movie was Yucatec Mayan (one of the reasons I want to see it.) But it does sound like they got a lot wrong.

By the way, spoilers don't bother me.
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From:tesinth
Date:February 13th, 2007 12:08 am (UTC)
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Well, that was another thing that bothered me about the movie, both groups of Mayans (or whatever) seemed to speak the same language (which the actors struggled with, especially the young ones). You'd think that if they shared the same language, the captives would know what was going to happen to them when captured (or at least be aware that people wanted to capture them).

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