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January 27th, 2008


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09:51 am - Adventures in Linux (or, Saving Six Study Program Documents from Certain Doom)
Not long ago, I actually got "real" internet access at home. This consists of the cheapest possible DSL connection that I could possibly obtain: $15/month, which I split down the center with Tina. Since it's on my phone bill, it's not an extra bill, just more like an extra feature.

I also received red_sput's computer from my parents at about the same time. He had run into the classic confusing issue of "Windows just shuts down before fully booting," which indicated that there was some sort of issue with his WinXP installation. I offered to look at it, but he bought a new computer back in November, so it wasn't really urgent.

When I pressed the power button, the computer sprang to life, and I watched in amusement as the entire thing booted and popped into Windows with no problems at all. "I have it working," I told my father, who had seen it not work before. "What did you do?" he asked. "I turned it on." "Huh, nothing else?" "No," I said, "nothing else. There's a magical aura that tech support people have that makes it impossible to replicate an issue once the computer is in their hands. I have that aura."

It turns out that the issue was a combination of spyware, viruses, and (as I soon found out) a faulty hard drive.

Since then, I've been playing around with the machine (and am currently typing on it). I've used it for all sorts of things, from gaming to updating the Three Cranes site. But two days ago, I heard that ominous clicking on boot.

The hard drive had gone. Gone, daddy, gone.

While there was nothing of actual importance on this machine, I did have some ADF Clergy Training Program work saved on this machine and it was not yet backed up. While I can always re-write some of this stuff, I was kicking myself for falling victim to something I've told many, many Dedicants over the years: back your work up!

As a result, I went back to a solution I used last time a hard drive died: Linux.

Those who know me know that I'm pretty much just a Windows user. I don't deal much with Linux or even Macs. Linux doesn't frighten me, but I stick with Windows because I don't feel like occasionally booting back into it to play Diablo 2. No, really: that's my primary reason. And honestly, Windows is generally improving over time. (Well, that last statement was true until Vista, which I don't have experience with yet.)

But when a hard drive fails, and you still need the computer, it doesn't matter to you what you use. And who knows, maybe you can recover something.

When my last hard drive failed (the clicking is indicative of a hard drive issue that simply cannot be fixed without replacing the hard drive), I asked around a bit about recovery, and was told about a Linux platform called Knoppix that boots directly from CD. In other words, you can run this baby without even having a hard drive installed in your computer.

Knoppix has a number of recovery tools installed as well, as it is obviously suited to recovery processes, but its primary vocation is to act as a complete operating system. I would only discover how useful this O/S could be later, though.

I had originally downloaded a version from 2004. The recovery process I had engaged in a couple of years ago had borne no fruit, primarily because the hard drive was so far gone that no data could be recovered under any circumstances. I ran it on red_sput's machine this past week, though, and found that it had a lot more potential than I had initially thought.

I commented on my music entry a few days ago almost exclusively from this machine while running Knoppix. I played chess against my computer, and a version of NetHack is installed on it as well. I was able to answer Grove e-mail and my own personal mail, and even browse most of my favourite sites. I discovered in that time that it's more than the recovery tool I thought it was, but also that it's a fully-functioning O/S.

I ran into some issues with the older version of Knoppix originally on this new machine: some things just didn't work, and I had to get creative at certain points during boot to make it work (fortunately, I have enough exposure to a variety of O/S boot processes, and enough knowledge of Linux and how it works to do this). Because of this, I decided it was time to upgrade. So, while at work, I downloaded the latest Knoppix .iso and popped it onto a CD.

Knoppix 5.1.1 worked out for a while. I was impressed with its very clean startup and sensical options for just about everything I might want to do. I was missing a few features of the old version of Knoppix I'd had, but no big deal: I'd take an easier boot that anyone could do (I share this computer sometimes with Tina) over some of those features.

But soon, I noticed that I was having problems with certain programs, particularly web browsers. Konquerer (the flagship browser) couldn't log into sites, and had a weird re-sizing issue with its tabbed browsing (each time you switch tabs, it resized the window, which is infuriatingly annoying). IceWeasel (Mozilla's FireFox browser for many Linux systems), on the other hand, just stopped working at random points. I couldn't isolate any sort of issue: tabbed browsing didn't kill it, nor did any specific site, nor did anything else. Instead, everything seemed to kill IceWeasel. And as much as I appreciated Knoppix's streamlined error process initially (i.e. "we're not going to tell you what happened; we're just going to make it disappear."), that got really, really old very quickly with IceWeasel.

Some of the games were missing or replaced with versions I didn't care for, too, such as NetHack (which was pretty cool). I also realized that I was getting tired of being told what to do during boot and shutdown in this new version: I appreciate them trying to make it easier, but there's a point where I want to scratch my head until I figure it out, if that's necessary. Getting stumped is part of the charm of using Linux, after all. But "Remove this CD before re-boot!" is an annoying command when you have a bootable CD in the drive.

I think the final straw was that no one thought to add in support for some of the most popular sites on the Web. YouTube, MySpace, and FaceBook all use flash extensively, and there were no browser plugins whatsoever for watching videos online. I understand why (flash and the plugins are not on GNU GPL, generally speaking), but if the goal is to create a fully functioning O/S, well, we're missing something.

In short, I think that the older versions of Knoppix are what I recommend and will probably stick with if I actually have to do anything in the future.

For the really short term, though, I'm just going to get a new hard drive for this bad boy and use my flash drive to back everything up until this one finally craps out. While it's on its last legs, I did manage to get back into Windows and boot from the hard drive. I noticed yesterday that the hard drive had appeared in Knoppix, meaning that it's working temporarily. So for now, the machine is intact. Sorta.

Did I mention there's also a c-clamp holding the monitor together?

I love computer repair and support. It can be so. . . ghetto.
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From:verginiamus
Date:January 27th, 2008 03:18 pm (UTC)
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Ah the joys of computers. It is amazing we take our cars to mechanics but are expected do the computers ourselves.
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From:chronarchy
Date:January 27th, 2008 05:20 pm (UTC)
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Ever notice how the car won't do for the mechanic what it did for you? Same basic principle :)
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From:chronarchy
Date:January 27th, 2008 05:20 pm (UTC)
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Amen!
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From:road_trip_judi
Date:January 27th, 2008 04:03 pm (UTC)
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Your geekiness makes me smile.
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From:chronarchy
Date:January 27th, 2008 05:20 pm (UTC)
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Smiling is good. You've a pretty smile, anyway, so that's a win-win.
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From:road_trip_judi
Date:January 28th, 2008 04:05 pm (UTC)
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Awww, thank you!

Sorry I missed you last night, I had to work and didn't get out in time to go to rite. I'm annoyed at myself for that.
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From:chronarchy
Date:January 27th, 2008 05:19 pm (UTC)
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Indeed, the files have been spirited away. They are hidden, they are safe.

IceWeasel is actually FireFox, from what I understand, renamed due to a trademark conflict with Debian. Apparently, the Mozilla and FireFox logos aren't compatible with the Debian Free Software Guidelines.

The issue with Knoppix not having Flash installed appears to be the GPL issue. Knoppix only includes programs developed on GPL, which Flash (and a number of other plugins) is not.

Since Knoppix is downloaded as an ISO, though, customization is slightly more complicated than usual. I could do it, but I generally look at it and say, "Eh, that's alright." The old version seems to include it all just fine, so I think I'll just deal with the additional annoyance of leveraging some knowledge rather than go for a straight boot.

And I could download NetHack (I have in the past), but there's something nice about it being bundled and not having to bother :) Besides, I have Diablo 2 on Windows, so really, why? :)

I'll look into Google Documents, but I generally upload them to my website eventually, which has more backups than even GoogleDocs can probably provide :)
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From:chronarchy
Date:January 27th, 2008 05:34 pm (UTC)
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Hehe. Just what I need: the ability to comment on everyone's DP journal while they're developing it on GoogleDocs. :)

I own two copies of LoD, and have occasionally managed to use both at the same time. It's entertaining, that's for sure. A third copy would be a LanParty in the making. . .

If you need some original install disks for D2 and aren't planning to use Battle.Net, I can pass off mine, so that you too can enjoy it.

Alternatively, you can pick it up for $10 somewhere, I'm sure. :)

Then you and I can smash evil online sometime.
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From:rfunk
Date:January 27th, 2008 08:05 pm (UTC)
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It's not so much about the GPL specifically, as more generally about including only software that has an open-source/free-software license, and Adobe's Flash plugin doesn't. There's lots of open-source software that doesn't use the GPL; the graphical subsystem (X11) has an even more liberal distribution policy than the GPL, basically "do what you want with it, but don't remove our credits and don't expect a warranty." The GPL on the other hand adds something like "if you give this to anyone you have to give them the source code too, including anything you added".

There are a couple different open-source projects to do Flash in Linux, and Ubuntu now installs one of those by default (though it's also possible to install the official Adobe Flash plugin). Ubuntu also has a live CD like Knoppix; If you like Knoppix you may be interested in Kubuntu, which is Ubuntu with a KDE interface like Knoppix has. With the live CD you can run directly from the CD or install to your disk -- which will allow you to install all the specific software you want, including NetHack. You may even be able to run Diablo II if you install wine.
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From:rfunk
Date:January 27th, 2008 08:08 pm (UTC)

Iceweasel

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Oh, also, the trademark issue isn't just about logos (that's just where it started), but also about distributing modified versions; the Debian people (and others) want the freedom to do unlimited modifications (especially for security) without the Mozilla people needing to approve each change, and the Mozilla people won't allow that without a name change.
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From:smithing_chick
Date:January 27th, 2008 06:35 pm (UTC)
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Did I mention there's also a c-clamp holding the monitor together?

That *rocks*! Seriously.

And I am very familiar with both the tech support aura & it's daddy, the mechanic aura. They've made me very good at describing problems with both my computers & my car in great detail.
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From:dmartin
Date:January 28th, 2008 02:21 am (UTC)
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It's always a cunning plan to have a copy or three of Knoppix around. Though I also tend to stick to Windows.
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From:dubhlainn
Date:January 28th, 2008 02:58 am (UTC)
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OK... I didn't understand two thrids of what you, art, and rfunk said but I know one thing... I am backing up my files right now.

Thanks for the reminder!

Oh... on goggle docs. Last year I was part of a group that created a worship service for the UU district I am in and wall live a goodly distance apart so what we did was place all of our documents on google docs and had a conferance call were we could edit them live so everyone could see, print, save the changes immediatly. It was easily one of the most affective conferance calls I have ever been on and we saved a lot of money on gas (and carbon from being released into the air) for doing it from home. Since then I have been a huge fan of google docs... though I hardly ever use them.
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From:dragynphyre
Date:January 28th, 2008 04:39 pm (UTC)
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here's another trick that often works for getting data off of a failing hard drive.

1. Remove failing hard drive from PC, and place into a "ziploc" bag. Suck out as much air as possible, and seal bag. The bag will help keep moisture out during the rest of this process.

2. Place bag-wrapped hard drive into the freezer for a few hours

3. Remove hard drive from freezer and bag, hook up power and cables

4. Transfer data from the frozen hard drive to your new hard drive or removeable media device

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From:heimskringla
Date:January 28th, 2008 06:21 pm (UTC)
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I went from using Slackware on my desktop to Windows XP several years ago, and the reasons I don't use Linux are somewhat similar to yours, but it is a good thing to have around when a system is in need of recovery.
From:red_sput
Date:January 30th, 2008 05:44 am (UTC)
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I'm glad you're able to use my old computer, even if in a limited fashion. What kind of viruses/spyware did that thing have and how did you get it to go away? I knew it was loaded but wasn't really sure what to do about it. I'm glad you were able to pull my pictures and a few of my docs off of it before it crashed again. I'm not sure why you trusted it enough to write stuff on there though :-)

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