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December 4th, 2003

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10:46 am - DP Woes
Well, she was cute. And perhaps interested. . .

Hey, give me a break: I need something to brighten my day.

The revised Dedicant Program was tabled last night by the Mother Grove. As emails trickle in, I wonder what happened. It sounds like a total melt-down of independent thought. I'm not sure that the MG even knows what happened.

Of course, I'm probably only getting one side of the story.

Yeah, I'm frustrated. Not with the fact that they want the best possible program. Not even with the fact that it was delayed.

What frustrates me is that there was little indication that this program wasn't *approved* yet. I know people started working on it. People loved it. I haven't heard a single complaint about it.

I wish I could have observed that meeting. I'm royally confused as to what happened.

As more email comes in, I see others think I was being negative when I emailed out about this. It couldn't be farther from the truth. I very much appreciate the commitment to excellence that the MG has, and I know they're trying to make the DP the best they can. But it's still extremely frustrating.

Thus my drama for the day. *sighs* Time to sit back and wait for the next email.
Current Mood: disappointeddisappointed
Current Music: "Nautical Wheelers", -JB

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Date:December 4th, 2003 04:05 pm (UTC)
I'm just doing the journaling, holidays, etc. I'm leaving the nature/patron bit and the book list until they decide something. It is a bit frustrating. Can't they approve even part of it for people to get some work done? sheesh.
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Date:December 4th, 2003 04:24 pm (UTC)
i didn't think you were being negative-- frustrated and disappointed, yes, but even-toned. you voiced what a lot of people were wondering, i think.
Date:December 4th, 2003 04:30 pm (UTC)
Life is one drama after another.

I'm sorry you're so frustrated. As I was telling a friend online last night, it is incredibly hard to interperate intent of emotion via e-communication.

A prayer to St Gulik for your deliverance ;-).

All the best ...
Date:December 4th, 2003 04:47 pm (UTC)
I have no idea what is happening (I'm not on the DO list, nor do I desire to be). I can only hope my DP is approved... I sorta questioned things in a semi non-traditional way. I'm nervous. :-S

I'm sorry you are feeling the frustration and being pulled into some drama. :(

Ohhhhhh, thank you for my present! Squeeeeee. It was very thoughtful and sweet of you. Panties would have been nice too... ;P
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Date:December 4th, 2003 05:12 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you liked it :) I thought it might be useful to you.

Does it work? I had to be creative with it to get it done :)

As for your DP, so long as you tried most things, and explained well why you did them a certain way (or didn't do them), you should be fine.
Date:December 4th, 2003 05:27 pm (UTC)
I use a Mac so I had to open it with my Hubby's laptop and it appears to working just fine. :) Thank you once again. (:

I think I put a fair amount of work into my DP, all told it ends up being over 70 pages long. I think that is rather intensive. I mostly had problems with the meditation requirement, two powers, 8 high days and patron stuff; as none of them fit within my hearth culture. I believe within all those pages, though, that I managed to clearly explain myself. We shall see, hopefully within the next week.....
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Date:December 4th, 2003 05:15 pm (UTC)
Yes, I removed a line from the post. It didn't make sense, and it didn't convey what I wanted it to convey.
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Date:December 4th, 2003 05:26 pm (UTC)
I'm not certain who is responsible for leading people to think a DP revision had already been approved. AFAIK, the Samhain date was when the author planned to finish the revision which would then have to be proofed and approved, not when it would be available to members. Meanwhile the original DP was and still is the program people should be using.

I haven't been on the ADF-Dedicants e-mail list since last spring so I resubbed this morning (I have a few minutes while waiting for the family arrival). I think your message was well written and spoke for lots of people.

I hoped we could release the current revision with a stipulation that the needed updates must be made to it within x-amount-of months (and why not, if what we have is already not ideal and this is a step in the right direction). However many Dedicants are not going to appreciate things changing on them again in a few months when v3 would've come out, and so on.

Things went the way of tabling the motion so the CC could correct what some think is a shoddy piece of work and release it by 2/4. I am not thrilled with this idea but the other option also seems problematic.

I think the entire situation at the meeting is a mess based on one or a couple of individuals who did not properly follow procedures. These objections should have been made in the weeks BEFORE the meeting so it could be discussed in full. The meeting is the time to vote on the agenda item, not start a huge debate. That is what the e-mail list is for. I went into the meeting thinking we were going to vote to approve the DP revision but instead it became a discussion and that option was not presented. We missed out on several other agenda items because of this happening with the DP and some of the other items. We ran out of time.
Date:December 4th, 2003 05:58 pm (UTC)

*that* was angry?

Besides my own frustration that the new DP has been delayed even more, I just can't say how astonished i was to find out the some people considered your initial response to be too angry. *snorts* They think that is anger? It is possible to piss anyone off, I suppose, though you seem laid back for the most part.

I just keep shaking my head wondering about the reaction to a truly angry post.
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Date:December 4th, 2003 10:09 pm (UTC)
I knew there was a new DP (and that you'd put it together) but I hadn't started on it yet. I do mean to do so, though. I'm really sad to hear it wasn't approved. Have they told you why?

My writing experience is limited to fiction, but it seems to me that the proper process for such things is to offer a pre-approval review so that you can do whatever editing you need to do before submission. But maybe I don't understand the way ADF handles such things.

I hope that you are able to revise and/or come to an agreement, and get it approved without much more delay!
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Date:December 4th, 2003 10:21 pm (UTC)
Actually, Ian put it all together. I've only been helping with the editing and a minor part of the writing.

We're working some things out, though. Slow but sure wins the race.

I'm hoping for a major change in the way things are going soon.

The "why" it was rejected is still pretty unclear.
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Date:December 5th, 2003 12:32 am (UTC)

There were many "whys"

It wasn't just one thing, but many that bothered *some* people. I could tell that a heck of a lot of work did go into it, and it wasn't that which was rejected, but some "fidly bits"...You should get with Skip and try and get a transcript of that section of the meeting...even if it has to have the names changed to protect the guilty


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