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March 10th, 2004


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10:46 am - I am Manganese Carrot-Squirrel
And I have written the following essay:

http://www.chronarchy.com/essays/druidism-wicca.html

Please take a moment to read it and comment on it. Pretty please?
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From:tlachtga
Date:March 10th, 2004 08:36 am (UTC)
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I like that you point out that Wicca is not quite as standardized as it seems; moreover, that you actually compare it to ADF and not some vague concept of what Druidry is. Wicca can mean all sorts of things, from Gardnerian/Alexandrian Wicca, to Cunningham's Solitary Wicca, which are at different ends of the spectrum. Reading both Drawing Down the Moon and A Witch's Bible gives a decent history/picture of the different forms of Wicca, the latter I think based on Gardnerian Wicca. And then you have the hordes of Fluffy Bunnies, which are, as far as I'm concerned, a weak shadow of Solitary Wicca.

However, there are a few things that maybe could be added, such as Wiccan magical practices (drawing a circle, the Book of Shadows) which are not part of ADF. How ADF is an actual organization, as opposed to a lose collection of covens which may or may not recognize each other. That one must be invited into a Gardnerian/Alexandrian coven (IIRC), while at ADF, everything must be public. Things like that.
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From:chronarchy
Date:March 10th, 2004 08:43 am (UTC)
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I don't think that the lack of a BoS is all that important, really, and I touched on drawing a circle, and how ADF has some standard things. The "public" bit maybe should go in, though.

thanks!
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From:smithing_chick
Date:March 10th, 2004 09:42 am (UTC)
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My old Coven did- still does, actually. I guess the difference is that it's not in any way *required* of them. Plus, there's a difference between holding public rites & being an open-to-the-public group. A lot of the Wiccan groups that host public ritual still don't let just anyone join the actual coven itself.

My only other comment is that in my experience, the idea that there's one single Great Goddess is mostly in the Dianic traditions. Other Trads that have a singular form of diety veiw it as the One, which is the primal creative force which is neither male or female, & the the Great Goddess & Great God are aspects of that.

(Ask 10 Wiccans to describe Wicca, you get 20 different descriptions...)
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From:tlachtga
Date:March 10th, 2004 10:08 am (UTC)
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(Ask 10 Wiccans to describe Wicca, you get 20 different descriptions...)

Good point. It's incredibly difficult to explain what Wicca is, because there are so many different concepts of it, so many different branches.
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From:chronarchy
Date:March 10th, 2004 10:11 am (UTC)
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Yeah. That's what *really* irked me about the original essay. It assumed that there was one kind of Wiccan and one kind of Druid, and there just isn't.
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From:tlachtga
Date:March 10th, 2004 10:15 am (UTC)
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Right--I mean, with Druidry, there's a difference between OBOD, ADF, and Keltria, just to name a few. There are a number of different organizations, and what may apply to ADF won't necessarily apply to any of the others. Same with Wicca. For that reason, I agree--I don't think that essay should be on the website. It needs to be replaced. I'm glad you're doing that.
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From:chronarchy
Date:March 10th, 2004 10:41 am (UTC)
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I've hated that essay since I read it the first time. I actually started this essay when the original went up, but I'm only now getting to finish it. It's been a long road :)
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From:chronarchy
Date:March 10th, 2004 10:13 am (UTC)
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Yeah, the single deity is a Dianic thing, mostly.

But it's also the whole Spiral Dance deity, too, and she's bled into general eclectic Wiccans, as well.

Even without that, though, Dianic is a huge force among traditions. I know I've certainly met more Dianics than Gardnerians.
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From:chronarchy
Date:March 10th, 2004 11:06 am (UTC)
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Yeah, you're absolutely right :)
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From:athanasios
Date:March 10th, 2004 07:57 pm (UTC)
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Its ironic that in the classical Roman period the cult of Diana was lead by a man -- the Rex Nemorensis, or King of the Woods. The Rex Nemorensis was an ex-slave and it was tradition for the new priest to kill the current priest and assume the post.
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From:chronarchy
Date:March 10th, 2004 10:10 am (UTC)
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Now that you mention it, that was something else that used to grate on my nerves. There was some essay somewhere that gave a basic description of Wicca and Druidism, that said:

"Basically, Wicca is duotheistic, private, and small-group oriented, and Druidism is polytheistic, public, and large-group oriented."

First, I really hate the word "duotheism", and a lot of Wiccans hate it too. Second, there are the Reclaiming Trad people (who think everyone should join in their rituals) and a bunch of others, so that flings "private" out. Third, I know lots of Covens that are bigger than most ADF Groves, so that rules out "small-group oriented."

So you're right, I don't want to go making that statement.

I was also thinking of those Dedicant Journals that we ADFers have, and how much they're just like BoS's.
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From:tlachtga
Date:March 10th, 2004 11:01 am (UTC)
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I was also thinking of those Dedicant Journals that we ADFers have, and how much they're just like BoS's.

I hadn't thought about that, but I can see the comparison. Hmm. I'm starting to think it's more and more difficult to explain what the differences are, other than the emphasis on Indo-Europeanism.

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